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Nov 14

X-Men #2 annotations

Posted on Thursday, November 14, 2019 by Paul in Annotations, x-axis

I don’t plan to do every issue of the satellite books – certainly not in weeks when more than one book is coming out. But let’s stick with the core title. As always, page numbers are from the digital edition, and this post contains spoilers.

COVER / PAGE 1. Cyclops, Prestige and Cable fighting horrible monsters. A scene which actually takes place in the issue!

PAGE 2. Cyclops enlists Prestige and Cable to investigate a mysterious new island full of monsters which is heading towards Krakoa.

“Kids.” As you almost certainly know, Cable is Cyclops’s actual son, who grew up in the far future and returned as… well, it used to be an adult, but now it’s a teenager. Prestige (Rachel Summers) is the daughter of Cyclops and Phoenix from the Days of Futures Past timeline, so her father is a Cyclops, but not actually this Cyclops. She’s never been all that close to Scott in this timeline, and fell out with him rather badly at one point over his relationship with Emma Frost. But evidently she’s up for being a member of the Summers family these days.

“All the drama unfolding on Krakoa.” The assassination of Professor X in X-Force #1, as we establish a little later on. It seems awfully coincidental that a second island suddenly appears the moment that Xavier isn’t around, but nobody appears to make the connection here.

“Krakoa is making a beeline for it.” We’ve previously established that Krakoa is floating, and not connected to the ocean floor.

Aurora and Northstar are former members of Alpha Flight, and I think this is the first time we’ve had them confirmed as residents of Krakoa.

“Giant beasts from that other place we don’t normally speak of.” As we’ll see, this new island is linked to Arakko. In Powers of X #4, Krakoa told a legend-ish origin story to Cypher, in which it claimed that it and Arakko had once been single land, Okkara, until being torn apart by demons or some such. According to Krakoa, those demon invaders were driven back by Apocalypse and his original Horsemen, who pushed the entire island of Arakko through a “chasm” and sealed it shut. Cyclops seems to be already familiar with the idea of an island of giant beasts; either this story has been relayed to him, or maybe it’s something to do with the mysterious second Krakoa in the Atlantic which was mentioned in House of X #6.

PAGES 3-4. Credits and recap page. The title is “Summoner”, the small print simply “Mutants of the world unite.”

PAGES 5-10. Cyclops, Prestige and Cable take their jet to the mystery new island, explore it, and encounter weird animals and monsters.

Did they fly down from the Summer House on this thing, or are jets being allowed on Krakoa during the lockdown as emergency transport for the X-Men? Anyway, much of this issue is meant to be driven by banter between these three characters and… let’s say that if you’re not already sold on Hickman this probably isn’t the issue that’s going to convince you? The whole tone of it feels downright weird given that Professor X is meant to be recently dead.

Cypher is not available to interpret for Krakoa because he’s off in the Shi’ar empire in New Mutants. Presumably Black Tom Cassidy’s integration with Krakoa’s security systems (as set up by Cypher) is too specific to communicate about this sort of thing. And while Professor X explained in Powers of X #4 that he had made telepathic contact with Krakoa, it was rudimentary, and it had taken him a while.

All of which begs the question of why on earth Cypher was allowed to leave the island when he’s so vital. Depending on how charitable you’re feeling, it’s either characters being dumb for the sake of the plot, or another instance of people on Krakoa letting their guard down for some reason.

“The rifle I got from Raza.” In the previous issue.

Hawai’i. I don’t recall a story where Rachel Summers goes to Hawai’i, but sure, no reason why she wouldn’t have been there at some point.

PAGE 11. In the “Arak Maw”, a monochrome child thing is brief by its shadowy mother on what to do when he gets to Krakoa.

The Arak Maw. Inside the volcano on the new island, what appears to be a bunch of giant insect-like monsters crawling out of the volcano, and a dark portal through which the boy Summoner can talk to his mother. Presumably this is a portal to Arakko, described as “a hard land.”

“War is all you have ever known.” Arakko sounds like a bundle of laughs. However, the “mother” that we see through the portal seems to have a burning head. As the Summoner explains later, this is apparently the original Horseman War. We’ve seen her before, though never clearly – she’s seen from behind in the Arakko flashback, and she can be seen standing behind Apocalypse (mostly obscured by him) in House of X #2. For whatever reason, the story doesn’t seem to want to show her clearly here either.

“Find him. Follow him.” Apocalypse, obviously.

“They are coming now.” At first glance this seems to refer to the X-Men, but we establish later that Arakko has been in an “endless war” for years, which is reaching a crisis point. This Summoner has apparently been sent to get reinforcements.

The Summoner. The symbol drawn on his chest is a symbol of rank and power, as we see on the upcoming data page. He also seems to ooze black goop from his eyes (which he seems to have used to paint the symbol). Fallen Angels #1 has very similar imagery for the children using Overclock, which might suggest some sort of connection between Arakko and Apoth (that book’s villain).

PAGE 12. A data page on the Summoners. They seem to be residents of Arakko who can control the monsters that eternally besiege the place. From the symbol on his chest, our Summoner is the most powerful of the lot, and they don’t have any spares, so they must be pretty desperate to let him go.

“The wild borders of Otherworld.” A chasm apparently separates Arakko from Otherworld, which presumably means that at some point it’ll crop up in Excalibur.

PAGES 13-22. The naive Summoner and the X-Men have a misunderstanding and fight, then sort it all out as the new island merges to become a new bit of Krakoa.

The misunderstanding. Look, I know Cable’s meant to be younger and more reckless in this version, but is he really such a moron that he gives a thermal grenade to a complete stranger? The dialogue even lampshades what a terrible idea this. Decide for yourself whether it’s just meant to be funny, or whether it’s meant to be another example of people acting a bit weird on Krakoa.

Uhr’Oggloth, Hool-go-Dir, Dur. The three monsters that the Summoner calls up to fight the X-Men. They’re all new, of course, but they also seem decidedly Cthulhuesque. That imagery has previously been associated with Magneto’s Island M base, and it’s something that seemed to be foregrounded in Powers of X.

“Complicated question.” Cyclops rather dodges the Summoner’s question about his love life, but we’ve seen that the Summer House seems to have Jean in a relationship with both Scott and Logan; Powers of X #4’s gossip column also implied that Scott had other relationships going on.

The islands merge. Since this island isn’t Arakko itself, presumably it’s some part of Arakko that’s made it through to Earth somehow. Again – the fact that it shows up exactly as Professor X is taken off the scene seems too much of a coincidence.

PAGE 23. Data page. A revised map of Krakoa, now incorporating the Arak Corral. Fortunately, the Arak Maw portal is described here as “closed”. A portal to a world of Cthulhuesque demons seems like a lovely addition to any paradise, doesn’t it?

PAGES 24-25. The Summoner meets Apocalypse.

Arak Corral may have its portal closed but it still seems to be an active volcano of some sort.

“The sky is something to behold.” The Summoner seems to be impressed by all those stars that aren’t in the art.

“My children.” Apocalypse describes the Horsemen as his children – though he also uses the term figuratively to describe all the inhabitants of Krakoa and Arakko, so he might mean it quite loosely.

PAGES 26-27. The trailers. The Krakoan reads NEXT: HORDE CULTURE.

Bring on the comments

  1. Ben says:

    Wait, that island wasn’t Arakko?

    Huh, missed that totally.

    Hickman really goes to the same concept/design well about as much as modern Claremont.

    The gas leak season continues.

  2. Taibak says:

    You know, Aurora and Northstar were two characters who I’d have thought wouldn’t have come to Krakoa. Northstar, in particular, always seemed fairly comfortable in the real world.

  3. CJ says:

    Yeah, this was rough.

    Even if he can be resurrected easily, Xavier’s death ought to be a Very Big Deal for Scott. Even one panel of Scott looking sad and Jean or Polaris or whoever saying “We have the Dragon Balls, Scott, it’s okay” would’ve been preferable.

    And the Cable / grenade thing is just ludicrous. It would’ve been better had Cable just admitted he wanted to fight the guy. I can handle a character holding an Idiot Ball, but it can only be so massive before it collapses back in on itself!

    It’s nice that Apocalypse cares about this son I guess, but it would be nice to see Evan / Genesis too, since Age of X-Man affected Apocalypse so much.

    And I thought that was Arakko too, for what it’s worth, and was surprised such a big deal was being dropped in during an early issue.

    Sounds like we’re supposed to observe some symmetry between “Summers” and “Summoners”.

    When I read this issue, I was fine with it, but the more I think of it, the less I enjoyed it.

  4. Si says:

    It really comes to something when you can’t tell if the writer’s being clever or hamfisted.

  5. Col_Fury says:

    This was a breezy issue, yes. I thought it was fun, but TOTALLY get why people will be annoyed with it.

    Since Kid Cable’s in this book, here’s something I haven’t been able to figure out about him: So, Kid Cable travels to the present day to take care of a problem (the time-displaced X-Men). He takes care of the problem (he sends them back home). Why is he still here? The job’s done, why doesn’t he go back to his “home” timeline and spend time with his friends? And, you know, overthrow Apocalyse? Isn’t he messing things up by hanging around?

    I dunno. Maybe I just don’t like this version of the character and don’t want to figure it out.

  6. Thom H. says:

    “The whole tone of it feels downright weird given that Professor X is meant to be recently dead.”

    THIS. I liked many of the ideas in this issue, but the tone was so bizarre it kept kicking me out of the story.

    I mean, how cool is it that Cyclops and his kids were riding the creatures they had just found? Or that the missing piece of Krakoa (last seen in HOX #6) is a portal to Arakko?

    And props for the mention of Aurora and Northstar (who are the best) in a story about twin islands reuniting.

    But the “banter” was off-putting, and Scott seems like he’s permanently high. It’s so weird that he’s completely dedicated to Xavier and the new society he’s created, but isn’t at all phased by his recent (violent) death. Or that it will be difficult to resurrect him. Or that their new nation was so easily invaded. Isn’t he supposed to be the captain of their defense team or something?

    I’m glad Hickman decided to give a female character some airtime in this issue, though — they too easily tend to fall into the background in his stories. Hopefully, some of that will also be rectified in the Giant Size X-Men with Jean and Emma.

  7. K says:

    I don’t think Hickman is spending whole issues with the Summers as a wacky sitcom family for no reason, no. Not when there’s also all the Polaris-Magneto scenes, which would be redundant if not to make some kind of point.

    This issue he hammers the parental theme yet again, just like before with Destiny and Moira and Master Mold and wherever else. Characters being in parental roles is clearly the major theme here but I still have no idea where exactly it’s going.

  8. Anthony says:

    We actually show a pretty clear shot of the Final Horseman in Jonathan Hickman’s contribution to Marvel Comics 1000.

  9. Adrian says:

    The last X-Men comic I read was during Carey’s run. Nothing has really grabbed my attention since. According to some of the regulars on here, Hickman’s direction and plots are a breath of fresh air. If that’s the case, then the previous runs must have been to god awful. I personally find this to be quite the dumpster fire and the worst of all the issues since this new dawn.

    The art is a mess. Far too scratchy and everyone looks like if they have some weird cracked skin disease. There is no dynamism or energy particularly during the fight scenes. Weird choice of perspectives and panels too.

    The plot is complete nonsense. An island full of mutants and Cyclops only takes two for a trip to check out a strange new island? After Xavier just died? Why would you bother when Krakoa is five hours away from reaching it? What do you plan to do before Krakoa gets there? Build a campfire? With two people, they planned to stop an army of invaders if it was hostile? Sheer stupidity. Gifting a bomb was meant to be an attempt at setting up some humour but merely comes across as idiotic.
    This whole Krakoa setup is so unwieldy and badly realized. Did Xavier plan to change history by tying the communication with the island to one person? Really? No one else can talk to the thing? No one? If Doug dies what happens? They play Charades with Krakoa to figure out what it is saying? Sage can’t do it? Isn’t Krakoan language based on the island’s speech? If so, Rachel seems to have a handle on it. If not, why send Doug away and why was that Scott’s decision and not Xavier’s or Moira’s?

    The characterization is mediocre. The family dynamic is awkward and jarring. Cringeworthy is the best way to describe the humour. Hickman does not have a good handle on his cast. As I predicted, Hickman is struggling here. X-Men is a far more character centric franchise than Avengers.
    There is nothing I liked about this issue unfortunately. This one has lost me as I was already on the fence with Hickman’s writing style. I hope some of the minor books do some good work because I won’t be following the main series until Hickman gets to part two of his major event.

    As an aside, the summoner also reminded me of some of the alien characters (from the part of his Avengers run I managed to get through) but maybe my memory is faulty.

  10. Krzysiek Ceran says:

    Right, so the grenade scene was painful in its stupidity and the Summers family bonding cringeworthy. And Hickman introducing another mysterious black-and-white character borders on self-parody (maybe there’ll be a new one every issue?)

    But. In criticizing Hickman let’s not forget that Yu drops the ball completely this issue. The Summers house is not set up at all, the characters look like they’re levitating in virtual space. When the islands merge, in the art they’re of comparable size, even though the map makes it clear that the Arakko Corral is miniscule in comparison. And the Summerses look on as if they can clearly see what’s happening – which would be feasible if they made it to the top of the volcano, but they never did. They are on a meadow surrounded by trees.

    Oh, and there’s a panel where they’re actually looking up, as if the islands were merging in the sky. This is just… none of this is right, art-wise.

  11. Adrian Brown says:

    @Krzysiek I agree. Yu is as much to blame (maybe moreso). That is what I was referencing with panels and perspectives. The weak art created resistance to being even drawn in to the story visually. It made the weak dialogue and plot harder to tolerate.

    Even if Hickman had set up a better status quo and could write characters better, there are six x-books. They seem to be coming out twice a month and all tied to a very specific physical location with everyone under the same organization. That is a lot to coordinate and tie together. As Alan L pointed out, Hox/Pox has really made the X-men world smaller.

    The more I think about it, I think Dazzler is right. The X-Men need a reset. Everything is too closely tied together. Everyone doesn’t need to be connected to Xavier’s vision. Maybe completely separate teams that do their own thing a la Avengers. Every new X-Man ever created is tied to the school or Xavier. Every group outside X Factor has been an X-Men splinter group. Are there no mutant stories worth writing about mutant superheroes not connected to the X-Men? The X-Men and mutant world/lore needs to get bigger but feels like it is shrinking.

  12. Xercies says:

    I re-read X-Men 1 before this, and this felt a bit jarring afterwards. It felt the first issue was carrying on the robot plot, but this one focuses completely on something different. I know House of X briefly mentioned the two islands, but again it felt jarring that Hickman decided to focus on this instead of the robot thing.

    I think this is my worry of the whole series…we have a lot of sketched out ideas but no focus. Suddenly he is throwing more things out like the summoner. I don’t mind new concepts being introduced, but eventually you have to carry on one plot point otherwise it’s just frustrating.

  13. Evilgus says:

    Really didn’t enjoy this one either, sadly. I don’t mind characters acting weird if there’s a narrative reason behind it. But the choices the characters made here weren’t just weird, they were utterly idiotic. That grenade scene was so dumb as to make me stop reading.

    Yu’s art was off-putting, as discussed above.

    For a character piece, it didn’t really tell us anything. The scripting was laboured. I don’t mind Rachel and Nathan ‘bantering’ like siblings, but please inject some personality!

    And Rachel herself is in desperate need of a good costume and design.

  14. YLu says:

    I suspect the timing of Xavier’s death will turn out to be a complete coincidence because if it was actually important, surely Hickman would make more than a single vague, token reference to it before moving on and completely ignoring it.

    As it is, someone reading this a year from now in trades wouldn’t even ever realize Xavier died between issues, which I suspect is exactly what Hickman wants.

  15. K says:

    Yu took way too many shortcuts in this issue, compared to the richness of detail from the last. The Orchis Forge felt like it had majestic scale; the two islands seemed to have no scale, as though they were models. The oceans around are completely flat, motionless even as the islands come together!

    This alongside the empty interior floors at the beginning of the issue and the empty sky at the end, as already noted.

    It does feel like everyone involved is working at breakneck pace. Editorial has gotten much better at coordinating details like making sure events happen in order week to week, but do the creators have time to catch their breath?

  16. Karl_H says:

    Kid Cable sums up the issue best, I think: “What. Was. That?”

  17. Chris V says:

    My biggest issue is that Krakoa looks to be an abandoned island.
    I had trouble figuring out if Krakoa was actually traveling to connect with that part of Arakko, or if Krakoa had broken off a piece of itself to send to bond with Arakko.
    There was not one hint that anyone lived on Krakoa, except maybe Apocalypse at the very end of the story.

    If almost every mutant on the planet is living on Krakoa, how can the art show an abandoned island?
    Plus, only three characters actually react to the fact that their island paradise has decided to start traveling across the ocean?
    Surely the inhabitants of Krakoa might be a bit concerned.
    It would seem that Hickman’s script might mention something about someone actually living on Krakoa.

    Also, it seems that Hickman’s definition of “stand-alone” stories is to set up an open-ended plot, apparently for further usage down the line.
    You know, with all the dangling questions left over from House and Powers, it’s great to now see lots more dangling plot threads being introduced in each issue of X-Men.
    When it Hickman going to get around to finishing any of these stories?
    He has enough plots set up for years worth of stories right now, but if he’s going to spend his run on X-Men solely introducing more open-ended plots, rather than wrapping up any on-going stories, it’s hard to know when any of these stories will ever be addressed.

    The other “Dawn of X” books are all off doing their own thing. It doesn’t seem that Hickman is introducing plots for the other writers to take up.

    The scene with Cable was just terrible writing. It seemed like Hickman thought that the scene was meant to be funny.
    I’m starting to think that New Mutants is the only book I’ll continue to read.

  18. Chris V says:

    I found potential in the Krakoa set-up, but it doesn’t seem that anyone is introduced in telling that story.
    It seemed like the purpose of this story was to get things back closer to that status quo set up by Grant Morrison, which was quickly dropped.
    The “mutants are fear and hated” and the “doom and gloom of mutants’ future” would be put aside.
    Mutants could have their own island-nation homeland, safe from persecution.
    They set up trade with the rest of the world.
    Humanity began to have a more positive image of mutants, since mutants were now providing life-extending drugs.
    Then, just move on and start telling normal stories again.

    I was very interested in reading that story.

    Instead, this is just a total mess.
    It doesn’t need to be so complicated.

  19. Dave says:

    Not read this properly yet (when there’s 2 issues in a week I’m leaving one for the weekend), but regarding comments so far:

    “If Doug dies what happens?”
    He gets resurrected.

    I don’t know how opening new plots rather than closing existing ones isn’t exactly what should be happening early in the run. And Nimrod will, I assume, not be far off. With a twice a month schedule having issues that skip the ‘current’ main plot isn’t a problem.

  20. Jeff says:

    Considering X-Force sounds like hot garbarge, I don’t mind Hickman basically ignoring it. I also liked the lighter tone even if some of the bits fell a little flat. I dunno. I enjoyed it more than most here, I guess.

  21. Chris V says:

    Doug gets resurrected, but only if Xavier isn’t also dead.
    They might try a bit harder to protect the actually important people involved with Krakoa.
    “Well, Xavier died, and then Doug got killed right after. Bad luck. Guess it’s time to pack up and move off of Krakoa. Good times.”


    Dave-There were already a ton of dangling plot threads left over from House and Powers which have never been touched on yet.
    I’m not saying that existing dangling plots should all be resolved at the start of a new series, but maybe do something with what you’ve already built before deciding to move ahead with a bunch more open plots.

    We haven’t seen Moira since Powers of X ended, and there’s no idea when she may show up again.

  22. MasterMahan says:

    I was surprised Northstar is on Krakoa. Yes, he’s been an X-Man for a while now, but he’s also married to a human, and Krakoa doesn’t seem like a friendly place for humans.

    It also seems like editorial should have spotted the discrepancy between “Cypher is the only way to communicate with Krakoa” and “Cypher goes to another galaxy”.

  23. Paul says:

    Fair point. Maybe Northstar was just visiting his sister. Normally you can come and go, after all.

    Hickman (who wrote or co-wrote both books) seems well aware of the Cypher point, since it’s flagged in the dialogue. The question is whether he’s just lampshading a plot hole.

  24. K says:

    I mean, Arakko is literally one of the dangling plots from HoXPoX. So this issue is technically all followup.

    Now maybe Arakko isn’t the plot people wanted followed up right away, but that’s a whole other thing.

  25. Arrowhead says:

    There’s nothing as painful to read as bad comedy. Bad drama can be campy or endearing, bad action can still be exciting. Bad comedy is just *thunk*. You can’t even laugh at how bad it is.
    I liked the world-building and the Summers family bonding… but when most people are talking about how bad that one joke is, yeah, that’s a cause for concern.
    That was like mid-2000s webcomic level cringe. Like, that whole wave of SPLODE! lolAWESOMNESS! sub-Nextwave geek humor.

  26. Col_Fury says:

    re: K
    Exactly! I guess someone could say the Summoner stuff is new, but that’s just an expansion of the Arakko stuff. This issue is entirely follow up.

  27. ASV says:

    I shouldn’t be surprised, but still am a little, at how much the tics of his Avengers setup are showing up here right away.

  28. Peter Singer says:

    Yeah, X-Men isn’t really living up to the promise of HoX/PoX.

    This is more like the start of Hickman’s Avengers run than his Fantastic Four start: not strong.

    I’ll keep reading, because I’m sure it IS going somewhere, but I feel like I’m coming down from the high of HoX/PoX, so to speak.

  29. Luis Dantas says:

    You know, I have decided that I like seeing Cyclops in a family man role.

    Surprisingly, I don’t think he ever had a chance to do that before. It was rare enough to have Rachel and Jean both alive at the same time. Now at last all or most of the pieces are in somewhat workable places, up to and including Corsair and Alex being alive and accessible as well.

    This take on him is long overdue, and fairly exciting.

  30. Si says:

    Wait a minute, why can’t Krakoa communicate normally except via Cypher? I’m sure it was proclaiming in English all over the place in the original comic, and people have talked with it or Krakoas like it since, I think with with telepathy.

  31. Dave says:

    Deadly Genesis revealed that Krakoa never spoke to the X-Men in Giant-Size, that was all Xavier fakery.
    “This is what it really sounded like: RRAAGGGALLLAGG”

    Having read #2, I’m a bit confused about Arakko – it fell under the sea into another dimension, that’s also near Otherworld?
    I also didn’t get why Hool-go-Dir had the Summoner symbol on him. That shows he’s summonED, because the black-and-white’s inverted? I can’t see the symbol on the other two daemons.

  32. ASV says:

    Wait a minute, why can’t Krakoa communicate normally except via Cypher? I’m sure it was proclaiming in English all over the place in the original comic, and people have talked with it or Krakoas like it since, I think with with telepathy.

    Krakoa is a sentient island which is a mutant whose mutant power is to be a plot device.

  33. Evilgus says:

    Re: Krakoa, it is rather bizarre that a throwaway villian for the first issue of Giant Size X-Men has taken on such an undue prominence in the mythos. Who’d have thought a sentient island could provide so much plot fodder??

  34. Taibak says:

    Evilgus: Just wake me when Krakoa’s spores from Excalibur #31 show up.

  35. Daniel says:

    It’s interesting that Hickman is halfway acknowledging Deadly Genesis. As I remember it, Moira’s actions in that are pretty difficult to reconcile with his version of Moira.

  36. wwk5d says:

    Ah, Deadly Genesis…talk about a pile of steaming excrement.

  37. Dazzler says:

    1) Nothing in this story fits with anything we’ve ever seen from Moira. The entire existence of the character she was for her entire history was erased and retconned for this story. There is no way to reconcile her character history with HOXPOX.

    2) Has anybody noticed piles and piles of unsold HOXPOX/Dawn of X books at their local comic shops? Mine has dozens of copies of this issue, roughly the same number of POX #6 and even more of New Mutants #1. It’s just one shop, but this is what I expected and what I continue to expect from this misguided launch.

  38. Mark Coale says:

    As we discussed on the pod with Paul, during Hox/Pox, the local stores I frequent (3 or 4 on a semi regular basis), they were selling out, often on Wednesday.

    Part of that may have been due to the problems involved in ordering a weekly book and estimating demand.

    Due to health issues, I’ve not been to all of those stores in the last month or so, probably since X-Men 1. (Luckily, you can get digital issues at home)

    I’d think most stores would order close to hox/pox numbers on the main book and some percentage of that on the others.

  39. Dazzler says:

    I don’t envy comic shop managers in terms of ordering basically any series, but this one looks a real conundrum to me. My shop sold out early issues too, but the later issues aren’t moving and I think when all is said and done the early buzz is going to result in an absolute ton of product with nobody interested in buying it.

    Clearly my LCS is going to have to eat almost every HOXPOX issue that’s still there (and there are many). They had plenty of copies of Fallen Angels, but not an obscene number. I know X-Men #2 came out last week, but I don’t suspect very many of the issues still sitting there today will be sold. Likewise with New Mutants. I’ll keep an eye on the stacks, but I’d be nervous AF if I was responsible for selling them.

    Now I hated this whole thing from the get-go, but I absolutely understand how someone could have been very excited initially, then had that excitement dwindle over the course of the mini (particularly since it didn’t really go much of anywhere beyond the setup that was already established), and see nothing remotely interesting in the whole line.

    I’ll be keeping an eye on these stacks.

  40. wwk5d says:

    “Now I hated this whole thing from the get-go”

    I couldn’t tell.

  41. Rybread10 says:

    My local comic shop has sold out every issue that they’ve gotten in stock. Maybe they were ordering very conservatively but still…they’ve been selling.

  42. Dazzler says:

    Right, friend, but my point is that even as someone who hates everything about it and always has, I understand how someone at the outset could have been quite excited and optimistic. (I’m decidedly less understanding of anyone who is still excited or optimistic.)

    Love, Dazz

  43. Chris V says:

    House of X and Powers of X sold very well. First printings ended up becoming quite scarce, and the back-issue prices went up in value.

    Now, the “Dawn of X” books on the other hand, I haven’t seen that they are selling anywhere near as well.
    I can still find copies of X-Men #1 all over the place, selling for cover price, and that’s been on-sale for over a month now.

    I’d expect that X-Men would sell the best out of all the relaunches.
    I know that my local store is stuck with a lot of X-Force #1 issues left over.

    The problem was that Marvel and Hickman were heavily pushing the fact that sales on House and Powers had increased as the series progressed.
    So, they were hinting that stores should be ordering numbers of the #1 issues with “Dawn of X” books at around the same level as they ordered House and Powers.
    There was absolutely nothing which would assure that readers who loved House of X would want to read Excalibur or Fallen Angels.

    It seems to me that sales have greatly decreased between House and Powers versus the “Dawn of X” relaunch.
    Many retailers really over ordered on the “Dawn of X” books based on how well House and Powers sold.

    Another thing to remember is that House and Powers were both marketed as an event book.
    Most cross-over events tend to sale a lot more than your average, on-going monthly comic book series.
    So, it seems that House and Powers were always going to be a much bigger success than what followed.

  44. Chris V says:

    Update:It seems like speculators may have been part of the reason for House and Powers issues selling so well and the value increasing shortly after their initial release.
    I see that most of the prices on House and Powers issues have dropped back to cover price now.
    Speculators must have started to unload the issues they bought to make a profit online now, so the issues are a lot less scarce.

    It seems like House of X #1 and #2 are the only issues still selling for higher prices.

  45. Dazzler says:

    @Chris V: We’re back on the same page.

    “There was absolutely nothing which would assure that readers who loved House of X would want to read Excalibur or Fallen Angels.”

    This has been clear to me for some time. It was, in my estimation, a major failure of HOXPOX that it didn’t remotely promote the line itself. What surprises me most is that even X-Men doesn’t resemble HOXPOX. Two issues in and it’s just adding more setup while not really exploring what I consider the story potential to be. I’m just so perplexed by this second issue. You have everyone’s attention and this is what you’re doing with it?? It’s bad enough to have just one book that drives the narrative, but that one book is odd and boring and not even doing much.

    I’ll be interested to hear what the rest of you are seeing in your shops. I don’t think I even painted a good enough picture of how much unsold stock my store has. Despite the early sell-outs and buzz, I’m already pretty confident this whole exercise will have ended up being very costly for my LCS.

  46. Moo says:

    Wait, speculators still exist?

  47. SanityOrMadness says:

    Yes, but they’re more like scalpers now. Buy quick, sell quick.

    The bizarre thing is the people who BUY for these inflated prices.

  48. Voord 99 says:

    Speculators nowadays are practicing a craft from the past in an artisanal manner. You can often find them at your farmer’s market.

  49. Mark Coale says:

    Presumably these companies would not still be doing variant covers (ET al) were there not a market for them.

  50. Suzene says:

    re: The Beaubier twins-

    Of the twins, I find it much more surprising that Aurora would have anything close to a permanent presence on Krakoa. Her loyalty has been to Alpha Flight, time and again, even through Dept H’s various betrayals and Carol Danvers’ bullcrap.

    Northstar, though, I see as much more open to giving Krakoa a try. He’s typically maintained a measure of independence from the spandex lifers, but this isn’t a matter of escaping Alpha Flight’s strong-arming or living as a house guest under someone else’s rules, as with the X-Men. It’s a whole new paradigm, and Northstar’s a former political radical with separatist leanings. As we’ve seen with Emma Frost, there’s nothing stopping him from continuing with his business interests in the real world, and he doesn’t even need the portals to come and go as he pleases.

    His marriage to Kyle would be the one potential speed bump, but we already know humans are allowed on Krakoa with prior approval. So that’s not so much a matter of it being an automatic no-go as it is seeing how writers opt to approach it.

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