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The Incomplete Wolverine – 2005

Posted on Sunday, October 2, 2022 by Paul in Wolverine

Part 1: Origin to Origin II | Part 2: 1907 to 1914
Part 3: 1914 to 1939 | Part 4: World War II
Part 5: The postwar era | Part 6: Team X
Part 7: Post Team X | Part 8: Weapon X
Part 9: Department H | Part 10: The Silver Age
1974-1975 | 1976 | 1977 | 1978 | 1979 
1980 | 1981 | 1982
 | 1983 | 1984 1985
1986 | 1987 | 1988
 | 1989 | 1990 | 1991
1992 | 1993 | 1994 | 1995 | 1996 | 1997
1998 | 1999 | 2000 | 2001 | 2002 | 2003
2004

We’re midway through the Mark Millar / John Romita Jr run. It already carried us through the first couple of months of the year, and when we left off, Wolverine had just been captured by the good guys after his brainwashed rampage on behalf of the Hand. If you haven’t read this storyline, you can probably guess what happens in the second half.

WOLVERINE vol 3 #26-31
“Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D.”
by Mark Millar, John Romita Jr, Klaus Janson & Paul Mounts
March to August 2005

S.H.I.E.L.D. deprogram Wolverine by putting his mind through repeated simulations in which his normal personality can finally reassert itself. When the Hand attack with a bunch of brainwashed villains, Wolverine has to be woken ahead of schedule to fight them, but his normal personality is indeed restored. The attackers include a bunch of minor villains that Wolverine hasn’t encountered before – Slyde (Jalome Beacher), S.H.O.C. (Todd Fields), the Spot (Johnny Ohnn), Vibro (Alton Vibereaux), Poison (Cecilia Cardinale) and Leap-Frog (Buford Lange). In a completely random bit of continuity, the scientist who cures Wolverine, Dr Weinberg, is the former Rabble-Rouser, a one-off Human Torch villain from 1964.

Naturally, Wolverin sets out for revenge and atonement. In practice, this means killing everyone he can get his hands on from HYDRA, the Hand or the Dawn of the White Light cult. Basically it’s a mirror of the first half, except now he’s going after the villains. S.H.I.E.L.D. also fret about whether he’s really deprogrammed, but nothing really comes of that.

In the course of his casual slaughter – and this arc is really casual about having Wolverine kill large number of bad guys – the brainwashed Northstar is captured. As for Elektra, she was never under Hand control after all, and she was just playing along. Finally, Wolverine and Elektra lead SHIELD against the bad guys. Elsbeth is apparently killed in a missile strike, while Gorgon is turned to stone by his own powers and shattered. His ridiculously OTT powers are better suited to being a one-off villain, which is how Millar seems to have conceived him.

There’s a somewhat maudlin epilogue in which Wolverine brings Ichiro and Fukuko to their child’s unmarked grave (the same child he was trying to rescue back at the start of the storyline). It’s very much at odds with the insane story that precedes it, and feels a bit unearned. But that aside, the Millar/Romita run is full of scale and momentum. It’s nuts but it does what it sets out to do.

Again, there are a few tie-ins to this arc:

  • flashback in Irredeemable Ant-Man #3 shows Logan recuperating after fighting off the villain army; he tells S.H.I.E.L.D. agent Eric O’Grady that he did well. (Eric is the new Ant-Man, but Logan doesn’t know that.)
  • Cable & Deadpool #13 has a cameo of Wolverine fighting HYDRA agents as part of his crusade.
  • The Marvel Chronology Project lists a flashback in Wolverine vol 4 #13 as taking place during this rampage. It’s not explicitly a tie-in to this arc, but it’s as good a place as any for it. It shows Wolverine slaughtering a bunch of black-clad ninjas, from the perspective of an unnamed young woman who has already encountered Wolverine as a girl, and who was already yearning for revenge on him. He kills her too. She’ll be resurrected by the Hand, and eventually return as a member of the Wolverine revenge crew Red Right Hand.
  • A flashback in Wolverine vol 4 #14 shows Logan attending the funeral of the innocent SHIELD doctor that he killed under Hand brainwashing in Wolverine vol 3 #21. This doesn’t really make sense, because it would mean that her funeral didn’t take place until months after she died, but… maybe there was a national security thing…?
  • The MCP also lists a flashback in issue #59 here, which seems to be just a generic panel of Wolverine fighting anonymous bad guys.

Mark Millar’s run concludes with issue #32, but that’s an unrelated story set during World War II, and we’ve covered it already. And now, a backlog of appearances in other books.

X-FORCE vol 2 #4-6
6-issue miniseries
by Rob Liefeld, Fabian Nicieza & Matt Yackey
November 2004 to February 2005

Wolverine, X-Force and Deadpool team up against the Watchtower, then team with an alternate-future Mutant Liberation Front (comprising alternate versions of Domino, Cannonball, Forearm, Thumbelina and Jon Spectre) against the mutant-eating Skornn and its Shepherd, and Cable seemingly sacrifices himself to defeat the Skornn. An incoherent barrage of plot points which really didn’t need Wolverine or the Watchtower in it at all.

SECRET WAR #4-5
5-issue miniseries
by Brian Michael Bendis & Gabriele Dell’otto
March & December 2005

That’s not a typo – these issues really did ship nine months apart. A bunch of tech-based villains, previously funded by the Latverian government, stage a revenge attack on heroes who helped to overthrow that government the year before. But since Fury wiped their memories of the mission, none of the heroes remember it. Wolverine – whose involvement in the present-day sections is largely off-panel – is particularly enraged that Fury would interfere with his memories, given everything Fury knows about what he’s been through. Naturally, when Wolverine attacks him, Fury turns out to be an LMD.

THE PULSE #9
“Secret War, part 4”
by Brian Michael Bendis, Michael Lark, Stefano Gaudiano & Pete Pantazis
June 2005

This is a Secret War tie-in issue. Reporters Jessica Jones, Ben Urich and Kat Farrell stumble upon a drunken and angry Logan, who laments his long history of being abused, and wonders aloud whether he brings it on himself somehow. A flashforward to this scene also appears at the start of issue #6.

flashback in G.L.A. #2 is listed here – it’s a one-panel cameo in which Wolverine turns down Doorman‘s invitation to join the Great Lakes Avengers. In a cute gag, he brushes Doorman off by claiming that he “work[s] best alone”. Sure you do, Logan.

X-MEN: PHOENIX – ENDSONG
5-issue miniseries
by Greg Pak, Greg Land, Matt Ryan & Justin Ponsor
January to April 2005

The Shi’ar force the Phoenix to reconstitute itself ahead of schedule, hoping that it’ll be weaker and that they’ll be able to destroy it for good. It escapes to Earth and exhumes Jean’s corpse as its new host. Wolverine is first to encounter this depowered Dark Phoenix, and dreads the prospect of having to kill her again. The X-Men’s attempts to confine her are also disrupted by a returning Kid Omega. Eventually Jean’s persona takes control, fights off a Shi’ar doomsday weapon, and seemingly discorporates in order to return to the afterlife; the Phoenix turns into some fireflies.

This isn’t too bad, especially when you know it isn’t bringing Jean back (which would have been way too early). But it suffers from garbled plot mechanics in the last act, and the usual failings of Land’s art – he’s dreadful at selling emotion, so he’s hopelessly miscast on this melodrama. Wolverine’s main contribution is to argue with Cyclops, but in a nice twist, they both agree that Dark Phoenix has to be destroyed. What they disagree about is whether she’s really Jean; Cyclops argues that she must be just an echo, since she still seems obsessed with him, when the real Jean had moved on before she did.

X-MEN UNLIMITED vol 2 #12
“The Healing”
by Stuart Moore & CP Smith
January 2006

I assume this story has been placed here because of Wolverine’s passing comment that he had headed to the far north to get over Jean. It’s a vignette in which Wolverine delivers an inner monologue while he recovers from devastating injuries inflicted by an unspecified villain who’s been defeated before the story begins. Wolverine rejects Sabretooth as a personification of the pain, preferring to visualise it as the less-personal Brood, and to visualise Jean as a protective guardian angel. Pretty good.

X-MEN vol 2 #167-170
“Golgotha, parts 2 to 5”
by Peter Millgan, Salvador Larroca, Danny Miki & Liquid!
February to May 2005

The X-Men discover an alien, Golgotha, with apparent psychic abilities that cause madness and arguments. After realising what’s going on, the X-Men lock down in the mansion for 24 hours to “sweat out” the madness. Eventually they get to grips with their insanity and destroy Golgotha. Then, in the final part, they go to space and defeat a whole horde of invading Golgotha aliens (during which they meet Gazer, a mutant working for NASA because his body makes him suited to be on a space station).

Peter Milligan’s first arc is a mess. The madness sequence in issue #169 is strong, but everything else is choppy and random, and the religious imagery associated with Golgotha doesn’t add much. The escalation to an invasion comes out of nowhere, too. But at least the art is good. Milligan writes Wolverine as someone who thinks he’s already put his demons behind him, which is questionable. Wolverine is somewhat stung by the criticism that he’s an old man hanging around with the kids, and reassured by Havok telling him that he’s being taken into space – despite his powers being basically useless in that environment – because they value his cool head and experience. When you’re praising Wolverine for his “cool head”, you’re basically going with the reading that Wolverine’s arc has been completed and that he’s just here to add familiarity to the X-Men brand.

WOLVERINE: SOULTAKER
5-issue miniseries
by “Akira Yoshida” [CB Cebulski], Shin Nagasawa and Guru-eFX
March to June 2005

Oh dearie me. Wolverine has to protect the Mark of Mana, a 600-year-old necklace which is connected with ancient Japanese twins Mana and Hana Yanowa. Mana is still alive in a magical sleep, protected by the Servants of Shosei; Hana’s worshippers, the Followers of Ashurado, are hunting for the necklace. Wolverine wakes Mana by giving her the necklace, only to learn that this has freed a demon called Ryuki. Wolverine has his claws temporarily gold-plated in order to take advantage of Ryuki’s magical weakness, and the villains are defeated. In a bizarre coda, Amiko turns out to be a descendent of the Shosei line, and agrees to train as one of their priestesses. Presumably she changes her mind, because this is never mentioned again.

Not only is Soultaker not especially good – Wolverine attacks the Servants of Shosei in issue #2 for no apparent reason, the art struggles with the title character (though it’s much better with the flashbacks), an inordinately long scene is devoted to Wolverine walking silently around a shrine – it’s CB Cebulski’s Akira Yoshida persona at its most problematic. It’s not simply that he adopted a Japanese pen name; several of his stories, including this one, were actively sold on his supposed understanding of Japanese culture.

ASTONISHING X-MEN vol 3 #7-12
“Dangerous”
by Joss Whedon, John Cassaday & Laura Martin
December 2004 to August 2005

The X-Men’s student Wing (Edward Tancredi) commits suicide in the Danger Room. Then, the Room itself turns out to be a sentient AI that has been trapped in the Mansion by Professor X for years. By holding students hostage in the Danger Room and causing assorted chaos, the Room tricks the X-Men into blasting its “command core” free of the building, allowing it to create a new robot body for itself and become Danger.

Danger fights off the X-Men and heads to Genosha to confront Professor X. The X-Men catch up in time to fight a Wild Sentinel that Danger has reanimated; Shadowcat drives it away by confronting its own AI with the horror of the genocidal attack on Genosha. Afterwards, Professor X admits that he knew Danger had become sentient, and ignored its cries to be freed so that the X-Men could use it for the greater good. Wolverine and Colossus, both of whom have been victims of extended experimentation, are suitably appalled.

Wolverine is mostly peripheral to this story, but he gets a couple of moments. I’m not convinced Whedon really gets the character. Issue #7 has a cute gag where we get everyone’s inner monologue in turn, and Wolverine’s just reads “I like beer.” But… does that really work with Wolverine, who’s been doing first person narration in his solo stories for going on 20 years by this point? Fabulous art, though, and it reads well in collected format. As a serial, it really doesn’t need to be six issues, especially when delays added another three months on top of that.

While he’s doubtless met them before as a teacher, Wolverine definitely meets students Armor (Hisako Ichiki) and Blindfold (Ruth Aldine) on panel here.

X-MEN UNLIMITED vol 2 #9
“Dead Man Walking”
by Matt Fraction, Sam Kieth & Sotocolor
August 2005

Logan attends the funeral of his old friend Johnny, who got hurt protecting Logan in a fight, and who helped give Logan perspective on life. A serviceable vignette, but not the best fit for Kieth’s art.

MARVEL HOLIDAY SPECIAL 2007
“Piece of Cake”
by Andrew Farago, Shaenon K Garrity, Lou Kang, Craig Yeung & Chris Sotomayor
December 2007

Wolverine and Spider-Man team up to fight an embittered department store Santa Claus and his refurbished Sentinel. Spider-Man helps Wolverine keep his self-control so that he doesn’t disembowel Santa in public. Afterwards, Wolverine takes Spider-Man to the X-Men’s Christmas party, and is irritated when a photo appears in the Daily Bugle the next day.

This doesn’t really fit anywhere – Wolverine is in his Astonishing X-Men costume but he’s doing a mission for Professor X and he doesn’t seem to be a regular team-mate of Spider-Man. Still, this is as good a place as any for it (which is to say, not very good at all).

NEW AVENGERS vol 1 #4-6
“Breakout!, parts 4 to 6”
by Brian Michael Bendis, David Finch, Danny Miki & Frank D’Armata
March to June 2005

When the Scorcher (Steven Hudak) tips off the X-Men that Sauron has escaped jail, Wolverine heads to the Savage Land to investigate. He runs into the new Avengers (Captain America, Iron Man, Spider-Man, “Spider-Woman” and Luke Cage), who are investigating a mass breakout of supervillains. Wolverine doesn’t initially recognise Spider-Woman’s scent, which is explained away for the moment. Much later, in issue #42, it turns out that she’s actually a Skrull impostor, Queen Veranke.

Sauron and the Savage Land Mutates try to kill the heroes to cover their tracks, but Sauron is shot by the Black Widow (Elena Belova, but strongly implied with hindsight to be another Skrull impostor). The villains and the Widow escape. The heroes then discover a “S.H.I.E.L.D.” vibranium mine using slave labour, which is promptly wiped out by an attack from genuine S.H.I.E.L.D. forces led by Maria Hill. Hill likewise refuses to explain herself, beyond saying that she was wiping out a renegade faction. Another version of that sequence also appears as a flashback in issue #41.

This is all better than I remember, particularly since it makes a lot more sense on re-reading. At the end, Iron Man invites Wolverine to join the Avengers. Captain America initially dismisses him as a murderer – apparently he’s willing to team with Wolverine but draws the line at actually making him an Avenger – but quickly gets talked round to the idea that Wolverine is a “samurai warrior”. A flashback in issue #8 shows Wolverine actually joining – at first he cites his commitments to the X-Men and his recent traumatic experiences with HYDRA as reasons for declining, but Iron Man persuades him that joining the Avengers could help to restore his good name, and argues that the Avengers have helped him through dark times in the past. And, as the most morally flexible Silver Age Avenger, Iron Man thinks the team needs someone like Wolverine who can do things that other heroes won’t.

flashback in issue #42 shows the Avengers having their first meal in Avengers Tower. Without realising it, Wolverine meets “Edwin Jarvis”, yet another Skrull impostor.

So, from this point on, Wolverine is an Avenger. All this ties to Bendis’s idea that the Avengers should have the big solo heroes on the roster, like the Justice League, and honestly, Wolverine never really does all that much on the Avengers. He’s there mostly to add a bit of banter, to make the Avengers look different, and to send a message that the Avengers is a team of Marvel’s top characters.

He’s also massively overexposed at this point, and the timeline is about to get jammed up with a blizzard of cameos in which he’s a generic Avenger, or just hanging around in the background at Avengers HQ. Writers also get more willing to use him outside the X-books in general. Oh, and on top of all that, the X-books spawn a bunch of spin-off solo titles that don’t last long, but keep having the X-Men guest star. And so…

MARVEL TEAM-UP vol 3 #7 and #10-13
“Master of the Ring, parts 2 and 5-6” / “Titannus War”
#7 and #10 by Robert Kirkman, Scott Kolins & Studio F
#11-13 by Robert Kirkman, Paco Medina, Juan Vlasco & Studio F
April to October 2005

Issue #7 is just a brief cameo on a monitor screen. After that, Wolverine is one of a number of heroes who team up against a cosmic-powered Ringmaster, and then he joins a bunch more heroes to fight the rampaging Titannus. Titannus claims to need the heroes’ help to rescue his love Amissa, but when she shows up and denies the whole story, he kills himself. Afterwards, Wolverine gets to listen in as an alternate Tony Stark explains how things went on his world.

ROGUE vol 3 #7 and #11-12
“Forget-me-Not, parts 1 and 5-6”
#7 and #12 by Tony Bedard, Karl Moline, Rick Magyar & Transparency Digital
#11 by Tony Bedard, Derec Donovan & Transparency Digital
January to June 2005

Issue #7 is just Wolverine leaving a voicemail message for Sunfire. In issues #11-12, Wolverine shows up as one of the X-Men to help an amnesiac Rogue against Mystique and the memory-stealing Blindspot.

GAMBIT vol 4 #2 and #4-6
“House of Cards, parts 2 and 4-6”
#2 and #4-5 by John Layman, Georges Jeanty, Don Hillsman II & Tom Chu
#6 by John Layman, Roger Robinson, James Pascoe, Don Hillsman II & Tom Chu
September 2004 to January 2005

Issue #2 is just another security camera cameo, but the other issues are more substantial appearances:

Gambit steals a deck of magical tarot cards from occultist Morgan Penrose, thwarting rival Jack Jessup and his employer Orlean Cooper. Gambit is captured by Cooper’s henchmen Stone and Alphonse; his friend Dan Down calls the X-Men for help, but by the time Wolverine shows up in response, Down is dead. Wolverine rescues Gambit and after meeting Gambit’s friends Camille d’Aubigne and Ginny d’Aubigne – there were a lot of characters in this book – the two X-Men work up an implausible scheme to set Penrose and Cooper against each other. It involves attacking various criminal dens while impersonating the other X-Men. Convinced that he’s massively outnumbered and out of his league, Alphonse surrenders the tarot cards to Gambit. Wolverine then views the various tarot cards in order to identify the one that will magically blind anyone looking at it (the blindness itself isn’t magical, so he just heals), and departs the plot so that Gambit can take his revenge on his own.

Gosh, that was dense. Wolverine’s really just a gratuitous guest star in a story that’s got enough moving parts already, but at least he’s fun as the surly companion to Gambit’s cheerful anarchism.

X-MEN vol 2 #171 and #174
“Bizarre Love Triangle, parts 1 and 4”
by Peter Milligan, Salvador Larroca, Danny Miki & Liquid!
June to August 2005

A couple of brief background cameos in a story about Mystique trying to break up Rogue and Gambit by posing as sexy teenage student “Foxx”. Wolverine does show up for an X-Men meeting to vote on Mystique’s application for membership, and he seems to be leaning towards admitting her. But he doesn’t get to vote before she gets into fight with student Onyxx and runs away.

NEW X-MEN vol 2 #14
“Year’s End, part 1”
by Christina Weir, Nunzio DeFilippis, Paco Medina, Juan Vlasco & Pete Pantazis
May 2005

Just another couple of background cameos, helping to set up the school dance, and then hanging around as a supervisor.

NEW AVENGERS vol 1 #7-10
“The Sentry”
by Brian Michael Bendis, Steve McNiven, Mark Morales & Morry Hollowell
July to September 2005

The Avengers and various other heroes deal with the Sentry, who has resurfaced in suburban Connecticut. Emma Frost stabilises him and he joins the Avengers, with his Watchtower merging into Avengers Tower. Wolverine is there, but he’s already nothing more than a face in the crowd.

GIANT-SIZE AVENGERS vol 2 #1 (fifth story)
“Memorial Day”
by Matt Yocum, Paul Neary & Stephane Peru
2007

A brief opening cameo, as Spider-Man irritates him with pranks before being taught an important lesson about Avengers history.

HERCULES vol 3 #4-5
5-issue miniseries
by Frank Tieri, Mark Texeira, Jimmy Palmiotti, Raul Trevino & Tatto
July 2005

As part of a modern Twelve Labours, Hercules tries to steal Captain America’s shield (the supposed equivalent of stealing Hippolyta’s girdle). The other Avengers show up, and Hercules is understandably put out to realise that he didn’t even get an invitation to join a team that accepted Wolverine. It’s a surprisingly rare case of characters outright questioning what the heck Wolverine is doing in the Avengers. In issue #5, Hercules throws a party to celebrate completing his tasks; the Avengers show up to get the shield back.

YOUNG AVENGERS vol 1 #11-12
“Family Matters, parts 3-4”
by Allan Heinberg, Jim Cheung, various inkers & Justin Ponsor
April to June 2006

The Avengers team up with the Young Avengers – Hulkling (Teddy Altman), Wiccan (Billy Kaplan), Patriot (Elijah Bradley), Stature (Cassie Lang), Kate Bishop, Tommy Shepherd and the Vision – to fight Kree and Skrull forces who each claim that Hulkling is the heir to their race’s throne. The fight ends when Hulkling agrees to spend  time in space with both races.

IRON MAN: KISS & KILL (second story)
“Glitch”
by Karl Kesel, Eric Nguyen & Andy Troy
June 2010

Sebastian Shaw hires amnesiac thief Glitch to steal Iron Man’s new Solargen device. Wolverine and Iron Man team up to get it back. But Wolverine is secretly repaying a favour he owes to Glitch, by helping her to retrieve genealogical data from Shaw that might help her find out who she really is. Iron Man is furious that Wolverine didn’t let him in on the deal, but Wolverine simply replies that he doesn’t know Iron Man well enough to trust him yet. By the end, Iron Man trusts Wolverine less than before, but Wolverine trusts Iron Man more. This is the sort of character development they should have been doing in New Avengers.

GIANT-SIZE AVENGERS vol 2 #1 (fourth story)
“Emperor None”
by Daniel Merlin Goorbey, Brian Denham & Guru eFX
December 2007

Logan heads out to get beer, and returns in time to summarily kill multiversal conqueror Emperor None, who had been vexing the other Avengers with nightmares while he was away.

AMAZING SPIDER-MAN vol 1 #519-522
“Moving Up” / “Acts of Aggression” / “Unintended Consequences” / “Moving Targets”
by J Michael Straczynski, Mike Deodato Jr, Joe Pimentel & Matt Milla
April to July 2005

More background cameos, mostly. Peter Parker, May Parker and Mary Jane Watson-Parker move into Avengers Tower. Wolverine is either instantly smitten with the new redhead, or pretends to be in order to wind people up – it’s hard to say. He doesn’t get on with the matriarchal Aunt May, either (since she’s the regular character, she gets to tell him off a lot). In the final chapter, Logan is thuddingly unsympathetic about press coverage suggesting that Mary Jane is having an affair with Tony Stark, and gets thrown out of a window for his trouble. Straczynski basically uses Wolverine for comic relief, but that’s fair enough given the fish out of water story that he’s telling with Spider-Man.

MARVEL KNIGHTS SPIDER-MAN #13-14 and #18
“Wild Blue Yonder, parts 1-2 and 6”
by Reginald Hudlin, Billy Tan, Jon Sibal & Ian Hannin
April to September 2005

Meanwhile, in this Spider-Man book, Wolverine is bonding rather better with Mary Jane, and Spider-Man gets jealous about it. That leads to Wolverine drawing blood during a sparring session (which he dismisses as “just a scratch”). Wolverine adamantly denies hitting on Spider-Man’s wife, and is a bit put out when the other Avengers instinctively side with Spider-Man – he sulks in the corner and says that if the other Avengers want him out, they just have to say so. It’s a very 1970s Wolverine and, again, it’s the sort of storyline you’d have expected to see in New Avengers.

All that is just subplot. Wolverine shows up again as a face in the crowd for the finale, involving confused alien Ethan Edwards, who is calmed down by Aunt May and decides to pursue a career in faith healing.

If you think this sort of thing counts as an appearance, then Wolverine contributes to some of the profiles in New Avengers: Most Wanted Files #1 – including one for the Mandrill, who he’s never actually met on panel. And in Kitty Pryde: Shadow & Flame #1, we’re specifically told that Logan declined to tag along on a trip to Japan.

NIGHTCRAWLER vol 3 #8-11
“The Winding Way, part 2 to 5”
by Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa, Darick Robertson, Jimmy Palmiotti & Matt Milla
July to November 2005

Prompted by recent dreams, Kurt Wagner returns home to his circus in Winzeldorf. Logan and Christine Palmer both tag along. They find the circus wiped out by attackers who were looking for Kurt. The trio then head to Kurt’s other former circus, owned by Amos Jardine, to try and pre-empt the next attack. That leads to a fight against a horde of zombies, the Man-Thing and Carrion, as well as Hive, a demon which was possessing Jardine. The demon is actually looking for the Soulsword, which Amanda Sefton hid inside Kurt without telling him.

For the final issue, Hive possesses Wolverine and makes him fight Nightcrawler. Partly because of their close friendship, this is meant to echo Nightcrawler’s fight with his brother Stefan just before Giant-Size X-Men #1. Since Hive is unfamiliar with Wolverine’s body, Nightcrawler beats him pretty easily by … er, breaking his neck. Somehow. The real Wolverine’s spirit spends this time sitting around irritably in a bucolic pastoral landscape which he describes as “my idea of hell”. That final issue at least explains what Wolverine was doing cluttering up the earlier chapters, where he doesn’t contribute much at all.

NIGHTCRAWLER vol 3 #12
“Happy Birthday, Kurt!”
by Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa, Darick Robertson, Rodney Ramos & Matt Milla
November 2005

Wolverine and Nightcrawler spar in the Danger Room. Later, Logan shows up as a guest at Nightcrawler’s birthday party.

WILD KINGDOM
X-Men vol 2 #175-176 by Peter Milligan, Salvador Larroca, Danny Miki & Liquid!
Black Panther vol 3 #8-9 by Reginald Hudlin, David Yardin, Jay Leisten & Dean White
September & October 2005

Investigating reports of animal-based mutants in the African nation of (ahem) Niganda, the X-Men team up with the Black Panther to deal with Dr Erich Paine. Paine has developed a Rogue-style ability to copy mutant powers, and has formed an alliance of convenience with the Red Ghost and his new Super-Apes. But when Paine realises that the Ghost is a true believer who wants to stage a Communist revolution in Niganda, he switches sides and the Ghost is defeated. It doesn’t sound like much when you put it like that, but this is probably the most entertaining story in Peter Milligan’s run, and certainly the most… well, Milligan. Here’s the Red Ghost on Communism: “The dream simply requires a new arena in which to flourish. A new country ripe for Communist rule. A country on its knees. A country riven with strife and anarchy! A country where a new form of Marxist-Leninist Socialism can grow, based on the purity of the ape world. And built around a strong leader with an unshakeable belief in dialectical materialism.”

The other plot thread is that the Panther is thoroughly unimpressed by this particular X-Men team, complaining to Storm about what a useless bunch she’s brought with her, and grumbling about whether “the troll, Wolverine” is her boyfriend. Panther and Wolverine both pick up on each other’s attraction to Storm, and neither of them much likes it.

X-MEN: COLOSSUS – BLOODLINE #1
5-issue miniseries
by David Hine, Jorge Pereira Lucas & Tom Chu
September 2005

The X-Men come running when Colossus has a nightmare.

X-MEN UNLIMITED vol 2 #12 (second story)
“Pain is Necessary, Suffering is Optional”
by Christopher E Long, John Lucas & Raúl Treviño
January 2006

Logan talks down a drunken Puck after a bar fight and persuades him to start rehabbing. A bit simplistic, and it only really makes sense on a meta level based on the comparative profile of the two characters.

X-MEN UNLIMITED vol 2 #14 (second story)
“How to be an Artist”
by Neil Kleid, Mike Oeming & Pete Pantazis
April 2006

Logan attends a showing of Colossus’s paintings. A regular art critic finds them banal, but Logan understands that they’re about Peter’s feelings of lack of purpose.

HOUSE OF M #1
8-issue miniseries
by Brian Michael Bendis, Olivier Coipel, Tim Townsend & Frank D’Armata
June 2005

The Avengers, the X-Men and other heroes gather at Avengers Tower to discuss what to do about the Scarlet Witch, who at this point is both vastly powerful and dangerously mentally ill. (The attendees include “Yellowjacket”, who’ll eventually turn out to be another Skrull impostor.) Wolverine argues for killing her, and dismisses accusations of hypocrisy by saying that he’d want to be killed too in her position. The heroes go to Genosha to see her in person before making a decision, but when they arrive, a reality warp transforms the world. It results in a world where humans are the oppressed minority and mutants rule the world via the royal family of the House of M. In this world, Wolverine works for the S.H.I.E.L.D. Red Guard alongside his partner Mystique.

WOLVERINE vol 3 #33-35
“Chasing Ghosts”
by Daniel Way, Javier Saltares, Mark Texeira & Paul Mounts
September & October 2005

It’s debatable whether Wolverine actually appears in these issues at all, since he’s only seen in flashbacks that form part of his House of M back story. And since House of M is meant to show a temporarily transformed world, it follows that none of this back story ever happened. More to the point, Bendis clearly intends House of M #2 to show Wolverine waking up for the first time in the transformed world, and immediately seeing through it. However, other books like Exiles treated House of M as involving a free-standing universe and Marvel Index ignores Bendis’ intent rather than just jettison three issues of Wolverine. So… here’s what may or may not have happened.

Two weeks before House of M #2, Wolverine and Mystique fight human resistance fighters. Later, the resistance steal a Sentinel from the Mexican puppet government. Logan tracks it down alone, while Mystique tails him. She catches up with him just as he’s confronting a hologram of House of M Nick Fury; Logan pledges to kill every human in the world if he has to in order to stop Fury. In the present-day segments, Mystique and Sebastian Shaw pore over the back story. Shaw eventually figures out that “Fury” was a fake and that Mystique engineered the whole thing to give Logan a sense of purpose in a world where the mutants have nobody of importance left to fight.

It’s a strange story, which teases the idea that Wolverine was always a good guy even within the House of M set-up, only to reveal that he wasn’t. But it chimes with the portrayal of the character in Way’s Wolverine: Origins, and makes some sense as a thematic prequel.

HOUSE OF M #2-8
8-issue miniseries
by Brian Michael Bendis, Olivier Coipel, Tim Townsend & Frank D’Armata
June to November 2005

Logan wakes up on the Helicarrier with his memories restored. Not only does he know that the world has been altered, but he also now recalls his entire past. (This doesn’t stick, since later stories start talking about memory gaps again after a while. You can square this away on the basis that some of his memory gaps had previously been attributed to his healing factor suppressing traumatic memories; presumably it does so again.)

Logan goes on the run, and tracks down a non-human resistance group led by Luke Cage. This group includes Layla Miller, who can restore people’s memories of the real world (and will go on to be a regular in X-Factor). The group trail around restoring various heroes before heading to Genosha for the climactic battle against Magneto, which ends when the Scarlet Witch decides that mutants are just a destructive force that always go wrong. She announces “no more mutants”, and the world is restored to normal, but with the vast majority of mutants losing their powers. By a happy coincidence, virtually all the X-Men are among the exceptions, including Wolverine – you’d think people would ask awkward questions about this, but very few ever do.

At the end of House of M #8, the remaining X-Men confront a depowered Magneto in Genosha. Wolverine threatens him, but then decides that he deserves his fate. Despite his major role at the start, Wolverine fades into the background as the story goes on. And there’s just not enough plot in this series to merit eight issues.

A few other tie-ins connect to this arc:

  • In Captain America vol 5 #10, the heroes decide not to bother disturbing Steve Rogers, who is a genial pensioner in the House of M timeline. This scene is also shown in House of M #5.
  • In New Avengers vol 1 #45, there’s an alternate take on the final battle with Magneto.
  • In a flashback in Generation M #1, Wolverine and Cyclops hand over the depowered (and thus maimed) Chamber to medics.
  • In Wolverine: Origins #1, we’re told that Wolverine’s new memories appal him; he thinks they reveal him as the worst person he can imagine. More of that to come.
  • And the next two entries also overlap with the final issue…

NEW X-MEN vol 2 #20
“Childhood’s End, part 1”
by Craig Kyle, Chris Yost, Mark Brooks, Jaime Mendoza & Brian Reber
November 2005

More scenes from the school on M-Day. Logan retrieves the corpse of a student called Hydro from the pool; he overhears Scott and Emma arguing about what to do with the depowered students; and he tries unsuccessfully to persuade X-23 to come back to the Institute.

DECIMATION: HOUSE OF M – THE DAY AFTER
One-shot
by Chris Claremont, Randy Green and various others
November 2005

And more reaction. Wolverine tries to call Jubilee (who is now depowered), but she doesn’t pick up. Later, he watches regretfully as the depowered students depart for home – which he thinks is a mistake – and laments that the X-Men have never been hurt this badly before. He also regrets what he’s learned about his own past.

Mutants who still have powers start showing up at the X-Men Mansion looking for shelter, and the X-Men defend them from the Sapien League. Finally, the US government’s new manually piloted Sentinels, Sentinel Squad O*N*E, show up on the lawn (a scene also shown in Sentinel Squad O*N*E #5).

The individual members of the Squad were meant to have personalities, but in most stories they’re completely interchangeable. For what it’s worth, the team consists of Jim Rhodes, Alexander “Lex” Lexington, Tracy “Sky” Skylark, Nathan “Bulletproof” Briggs, Jake Slayton, Joni Shama and “Professor” Emil Winston.

X-MEN vol 2 #177-179
“House Arrest”
by Peter Milligan, Salvador Larroca, Danny Miki & Liquid!
November & December 2005

The X-Men and the Sentinel Squad get off to a singularly bad start, but team up together to fight the Sapien League and its leader the Leper Queen. Wolverine’s role is peripheral. Also, Deadpool supporting character Outlaw (Inez Temple) arrives at the Institute as one of the surviving mutants.

NEW X-MEN vol 2 #21
“Childhood’s End, part 2”
by Craig Kyle, Chris Yost, Mark Brooks, Jaime Mendoza & Brian Reber
December 2005

Wolverine introduces Laura to some of the remaining students: Elixir, Icarus, Prodigy, Surge (Nori Ashida), Wind Dancer, Dust, Hellion (Julian Keller), Mercury (Cessily Kincaid), Rockslide (Santo Vaccarro) and Tag (Brian Cruz). On Logan’s vouching, Scott accepts Laura as a student, despite Emma’s objections that she’s too dangerous to have around the precious few students that are left. Wolverine refers to Laura as his “sister” here, which is not accurate, but reflects how their relationship was being written at this point.

RUNAWAYS vol 2 #10-12
“East Coast / West Coast, parts 2-4”
by Brian K Vaughan, Adrian Alphona, Craig Yeung & Christina Strain
November 2005 to January 2006

Cloak is wrongly accused of attacking a girl. The Avengers track him down to the church of Father Lantom, where they find him talking to Runaway Molly Hayes. Wolverine attacks in a misguided attempt to save her, and she punches him out of the building. He drops out of the plot after that, and doesn’t meet the other Runaways just yet.

NEW AVENGERS vol 1 #14-15
“Secrets & Lies” / “Public Relations”
by Brian Michael Bendis, Frank Cho & Jason Keith
December 2005 & January 2006

The Avengers listen as “Spider-Woman” explains her apparent divided loyalties (from the previous arc, which Wolverine wasn’t in). Wolverine thinks she’s telling the truth, but not the full truth, and he isn’t even entirely sure about that. So he’s given an out, at least.

After that, the Avengers finally have their first press conference to announce the new team. Wolverine refuses to take part, insisting that someone with his past should not be getting on a stage and waving. A background cameo in a flashback in Mighty Avengers vol 1 #14 also takes place here.

AMAZING FANTASY vol 2 #13
“Play to Win, part 1”
by Karl Kesel, Carmine di Giandomenico, Robert Campanellaa & Pete Pantazis
October 2005

Just a brief cameo of the Avengers on TV, shortly after the new team has been announced to the world.

MARVEL TEAM-UP vol 3 #14
by Robert Kirkman, Cory Walker & Bill Crabtree
November 2005

Invincible (Mark Grayson) visits the Avengers in a rare inter-company crossover. Wolverine is there, but doesn’t say anything.

CIVIL WAR: CHOOSING SIDES (sixth story)
“A New Light”
by Jim McCann, Alex Chung & Udon
October 2006

Another improbable team-up, as the Avengers team up with Guiding Light (Harley Davidson-Cooper) – a character from the daytime soap opera of the same name – against the Sinister Six. This story is currently missing from the Unlimited edition of the book, probably because it features other characters from the TV show and has nothing to do with the Civil War crossover.

SENTRY vol 2 #1-2
8-issue miniseries
by Paul Jenkins, John Romita Jr, Mark Morales & Dean White
September & October 2005

More cameos. In issue #1, the Avengers fight Attuma. In issue #2, they’re just part of a montage of the Sentry’s life.

ASTONISHING X-MEN vol 3 #13
“Torn”
by Joss Whedon, John Cassaday & Laura Martin
February 2006

Logan resumes combat training in the now-empty Danger Room with the remaining students – the New X-Men (Hellion, Mercury, Rockslide and Surge), Armor, Match (Ben Hamill), Anole (Victor Borkowski), Indra (Paras Gavaskar), Pixie (Megan Gwynn) and Wolf Cub (Nicky Gleason). Wolverine is rather over the top in terrorising the students, but that’s par for the course for him, and Scott does assure us that it’s all an act. Still, the wisdom of further traumatising the trauma victims seems… debatable even by his standards.

GENERATION M #5
5-issue miniseries
by Paul Jenkins, Ramon Bachs, John Lucas & Art Lyon
May 2006

A brief cameo as the X-Men protect journalist Sally Floyd from serial killer the Ghoul.

NEW X-MEN vol 2 #24
“Crusade, part 1”
by Craig Kyle, Chris Yost, Paco Medina, Juan Vlasco & Brian Reber
March 2006

Logan attends the funerals of students killed by Reverend Stryker’s followers.

DOC SAMSON vol 2 #1-2
5-issue miniseries
by Paul Di Fillipo, Fabrizio Florentino, Jimmy Palmiotti, Val Staples & William Mural
January & February 2006

Two more cameos on monitor screens.

WOLVERINE / HERCULES: MYTHS, MONSTERS & MUTANTS
4-issue miniseries
by Frank Tieri, Juan Santacruz & Moose Bauman
March to June 2011

Wolverine brings Hercules along for his annual attack on Matsu’o Tsurayaba. Matsu’o has formed an alliance with the river god Achelous and assorted Greek mythological characters such as Eurytheus, the Minotaur, the Nemean Lion, Odyssues, the Kraken and Medusa. Wolverine gets turned to stone, but Pluto restores him so that he can do more killing. Eventually Wolverine kills Matsu’o and puts him out of his misery, only for the Hand to resurrect him, to his utter horror. (This has to be a flashback story, since Matsu’o had already been killed off in the 2009-10 Psylocke miniseries.)

There are a couple of nice ideas about Wolverine being a modern immortal hero from a modern version of mythology, but the story doesn’t really work them into the plot.

I HEART MARVEL: MY MUTANT HEART
“The Promise”
by Daniel Way, Ken Knudtsen & Jose Villarrubia
March 2006

Wolverine visits the grave of Lukas Maier, a Nazi scientist that he pledged to kill in 1943, in a framing sequence for a flashback story. The gravestone shows that Maier died in the year of publication, and it’s left ambiguous whether Wolverine killed him or caught up with him just too late.

Marvel Unlimited has this comic listed as I (Heart) Marvel #2, despite the clear #1 on the cover.

WOLVERINE vol 3 #36-40
“Origins & Endings”
by Daniel Way, Javier Saltares, Mark Texeira & JD Smith
November 2005 to March 2006

In practice, this is the first arc of Way’s ongoing series Wolverine: Origins, which launched the following month.

Now that he remembers his full past, Wolverine starts hunting people down for revenge. When word gets round that his memory has returned, a lot of dodgy people start killing themselves or desperately shredding records. Like a lot of Origins stories, much of this is framing material for flashbacks which we already covered in the back story instalments – in this case, it’s the origin of the Muramasa Blade, and the involvement of the Winter Soldier in the death of Logan’s wife. Finally, Logan reclaims the Blade from Muramasa himself, who tells Logan to “wield it like an angry god”. A version of that last scene also appears in flashback in All-New Wolverine #25.

At this stage Way seems to be setting up a straightforward spy conspiracy story; there’s no sign at this point of the dreaded Romulus, which is hardly surprising because he won’t be created until issue #50, in a story that doesn’t seem to have much to do with Way’s initial plans at all.

But more on Origins next time, when that series gets underway, and Marc Guggenheim takes over the main book.

Bring on the comments

  1. JD says:

    The credits for the HERCULES mini are missing writer Frank Tieri.

  2. Krzysiek Ceran says:

    ‘NEW X-MEN vol 2 #14
    […]
    Just another couple of background cameos, helping to set up the school dance, and then hanging around as a supervisor.’

    IIRC this happens right after the issue where the school is in lockdown because Logan is on a rampage that will end with Northstar dead and the students traumatised.

  3. The Other Michael says:

    Yikes, what a busy year.

    I’d forgotten that the whole House of M thing happened while the Skrull imposters were running around.

    Wasn’t there some half-baked explanation that the X-Men, for the most part, retained their powers after M-Day because they were somehow shielded from the depowering effect in a very small bubble of influence, and/or some very small corner of Wanda’s mind sparing them? I could be wrong…

    Honestly, the choices for the remaining mutants (198 or however many there truly were) ranged from the predictable (marketable) to the utterly bizarre.

  4. Paul says:

    Thanks, I’ll fix the Hercules credits.

  5. Uncanny X-Ben says:

    Yeah the only interesting thing they could have done with Decimation is depower most of the main X-Men so they have to make do with C-Listers and new characters.

    They… did not.

    This is really where I checked out of the X-Men for a good long while.

    The X-Men with no one to protect or fight stuck naval gazing at the mansion is terrible.

    Sidenote – Chamber has no heart or lungs or digestive tract, he’s just a zombie animated by his powers. The idea you could keep him alive without them is bonkers.

  6. Krzysiek Ceran says:

    Reading the Claremont run for the first time recently, I was struck by how odd the first years read. Here are the X-Men, this group of 5-6 heroes, this is their life and adventures, in this one ongoing.

    Any attempt at ‘back to basics’ for the X-Men that doesn’t involve cutting the majority of the line simply can’t result in bringing it back to ‘the basics’ without that.

    And the Decimation might have been the one occasion to do exactly that. If M-Day hit the X-Men as it hit mutants on the whole, if the line was cut down to 2-3 titles instead of the… about a dozen if not more… I wonder if the whole Decimation era would be more interesting.

    It would definitely be shorter, unless it was an incredible success that would lead it to be extended, as Krakoa was now – otherwise there’s no way they’d keep most a-listers off the books. But it might have been something.

    As it stands, I don’t hate the Decimation era – I love parts of it, like Carey’s run. But it’s a case of ‘in spite of the status quo’, not ‘thanks to’.

    On a complete side-note, this is why I don’t condemn the Inhumans vs X-Men era on the whole (not the event, the event was terrible) – the line was cut to a managable five titles and for the first time in years it had a direction.

    The direction was ‘murder cloud kills mutants and we are somehow angry at Cyclops for destroying the second murder cloud’, but at least there was a direction.

  7. Mark Coale says:

    Vibro being Alton Vibereaux is a wonderful bit of that HTA classic, nominative determinism.

  8. ASV says:

    I wasn’t reading at the time and haven’t gone back to read much of the X-stuff from this era (I think just Astonishing and House of M), and reading all this I almost can’t believe they kept the line going at this pace.

  9. Daibhid C says:

    All this ties to Bendis’s idea that the Avengers should have the big solo heroes on the roster, like the Justice League

    The thing Bendis never seemed to quite get is that at DC, the big solo heroes are also the big-name superheroes in-universe, whereas at Marvel the heroes everyone in the real world has heard of are often the weirdo outsiders. Like, John Constantine’s popular, but that doesn’t mean it would make sense to have him in the Justi… (touches earpiece) Wow, really? Okay, never mind.

    Bendis’s “Big names Avengers” always felt like he’d read that “New Fantastic Four” story and hadn’t seen the joke.

    I think this was around the time when Whedon claimed in an interview that Wolverine had just joined the JLA, and was also in the revised Penguin edition of Little Dorrit.

  10. Allan M says:

    The Milligan X-Men run is largely mediocre to bad, but I did like that it was canonical that this roster was the D-tier X-Men squad and everyone knows it.

    Wolverine in the Avengers is really puzzling in retrospect. So much made of the fact at the time that finally, Marvel’s biggest heroes, Spider-Man and Wolverine, are in the Avengers! Avengers is finally Marvel’s Justice League! But how is it desireable for Avengers to be more like Justice League? Shouldn’t they at least strive to be a distinct creative property? And it’s not like Justice League has always been some sales juggernaut that must be imitated.

    Moreover, Wolverine and Spider-Man don’t really contribute a ton to the Bendis run except banter, and both disappear from Hickman’s halfway without doing much. By which point the MCU has arrived and the world knows and embraces the Silver/Bronze Age Avengers, from Cap to Vision to Wanda. We had Spider-Man in Waid’s Avengers later and Wolverine a bit in Savage Avengers, but it’s remarkable how hard Bendis wanted them to become core Avengers members, and how utterly he failed due to the MCU.

  11. David Goldfarb says:

    In A.X.E. Avengers Tony (the only core Avenger in the issue) says that he’s feeling a bit outnumbered, and Wolverine points out that he’s been an Avenger. I have to admit that when I read that I’d quite forgotten about it.

  12. CalvinPitt says:

    I bought New Avengers until the Civil War tie-ins, then realized I hated the book and bailed. I remember thinking it was funny Bendis had said in an interview in Wizard he thought Wolverine and Spider-Man were a great unintentional comedy duo, but then he seemed to get a lot more out of playing Spidey and Luke Cage off each other.

    Also, I guess he meant “unintentional” within the story, since he would be writing them for comedic effect, so it couldn’t be unintentional. Watsonian rather than Doylist? Although it’s Bendis, so who the hell knows.

    Characters not doing much was pretty much a feature of his Avengers run. He’d add someone new – Daredevil, Storm, Squirrel Girl, The Thing – but they would just stand around for a few issues until the next big event churned the roster. I will accept almost any character as an Avenger, but the creative team have to at least show them being useful, and Bendis repeatedly failed on that score.

    Also, I was buying Wolverine at the time of House of M, but I don’t remember those issues at all.

  13. Andrew says:

    This is the era where I feel like the wheels start to come off the line again.

    House of M in and of itself isn’t bad – The miniseries itself I remember enjoying a lot and it is a fun romp.

    But Decimation and everything that spins out of it proved disastrous in the long run.

    It basically sidelines the X-Men from the Marvel Universe and serves to completely narratively knee-cap the books.

    I don’t think people would have minded as much had it been an actual storyline with a beginning, a middle and an end, but it turned out it was entirely a status quo that Marvel editorial wanted to just stick with.

    Ed Brubaker’s run is a lot of fun and the highlight of the books during this era but once he walks and we get Matt Fraction’s weird as hell run, things just fall apart.

    Second Coming promised a lot but became another narrative dead end when they backed off the revival of mutants and on it went until Krakoa.

  14. Dave says:

    House of M was boring, and too many issues. I never bothered with any of the tie-ins.

  15. Taibak says:

    There were a lot of issues with Bendis’s Avengers lineup. My pet peeve is that the series was conceived as – and marketed as – Marvel’s biggest name heroes teaming up, then he turns around and gives us… Luke Cage, Spider-Woman, and Echo.

    That’s not a Justice League analogue. That’s Bendis writing his pet characters.

  16. Mark.Coale says:

    Bendis’ JL Detroit. 🙂

  17. Uncanny X-Ben says:

    At the time, who could have even been in a JLA style Avengers team?

    Like The X-Men and Spider-Man?

    Aaron’s Avengers is JLA Avengers, but a lot of that is because of the movies.

    It’ll be interesting to see how the next wave(s) of movies with the newer characters are received and how that’s echoed in the comics.

    Will the Avengers lineup be Namor, Shuri, Ironheart, Photon, Falcon, and Werewolf by Night?

  18. Luis Dantas says:

    JLDetroit was a fine idea, the Avengers as they could exist in the DC Universe (or perhaps I should say Earth-One). It just did not materialize in an environment that favored it. To the best of my understanding it just had too much competition from more editorially favored books such as New Teen Titans and (Batman and) The Outsiders. It wasn’t a book that benefited from Crisis, either.

    Most notably, JLDetroit was gradually but decisively emptied of meaning and purpose starting with the Crisis crossover issues. Very soon it gave up on its setup, supporting cast, and most recognizable characters. Aquaman left unceremoniously right before Crisis, Zatanna was sidelined for nearly all post-Crisis issues, and then they began to rely on Batman for star power before just as unceremoniously being rid of him so that he could return to the Outsiders and a depressing final storyline could happen at the margins of Legends.

    JLA is actually an inferior concept for a superteam when contrasted with JLDetroit/Avengers, but I guess it markets better.

    In Marvel terms a JLA parallel would be far closer to Uncanny Avengers than to Bendis New Avengers, anyway. New Avengers was a frustrating series that just did not seem to get the point of the existence of an Avengers team. It seemed to not even attempt to have much of a connection between cast and plots.

  19. Mark Coale says:

    It might be my Pre Crisis DC Fandom, but I philosophically prefer the JLA model (once a member, .. ) than the Avengers model (the team is the team right now).

    The late Satellite era and Detroit had potential but just felt like running out the string, like Avengers right before Waid ended it before Heroes Reborn. It’s like the Bob Harras Jacket wearing Avengers era.

  20. ASV says:

    Who would’ve been (at the time) the “well known in-universe” Avengers lineup? I would tend to think Captain America, the Fantastic Four, and Iron Man (by virtue of Tony Stark’s fame) would be a step above everybody else. The Hulk would be up there but almost certainly not seen as a “hero” by most of the MU public. And then… long-time Avengers by virtue of being part of this very public group? Like, it seems like someone like Hawkeye or Wonder Man would be more well known than Spider-Man or Wolverine. Spider-Man’s whole thing is being very local to New York! Does somebody in Chicago, who sees the Avengers doing big world-saving stuff on TV fairly often, have any idea about Spider-Man or Wolverine?

  21. Mike Loughlin says:

    JLA worked as an all-star team of DC characters, but the Avengers series didn’t function in the same way. To start with, Marvel didn’t have solo All-Star s in the early ’60s. Their biggest successes were a team book (FF) and a teenage hero who didn’t work on a team book (Spider-Man). The original Avenger team was “everyone else.” For a time, the book cycled through superheroes without solo books, with semi-regular appearances by former members who had their own series. Cap, Thor, & Iron Man made more appearances in Avengers in the ’70s, but the focus was usually on the other characters (Vision, Wasp, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, etc.) Who didn’t have solo books. Same with most of the ’80s & ’90s.

    Bendis’s semi-all-star teams didn’t work. It didn’t help that most of them were street fighters, with or without super-strength. He wasn’t good at writing large-scale superhero stories, and stranded characters with nothing to do. I read a lot of his Avengers a few years after they were published, on Marvel Unlimited, and found them boring. I can see why they sold at first – A new approach! A popular writer!- but I can’t understand why people continued to buy them after multiple lousy story arcs.

  22. Allan M says:

    If any of you have not read it, Englehart’s JLA run in the 70s is fascinating. Overnight, the series becomes the Avengers, with the team feuding amongst themselves, characters feeling like they want to quit the team, Green Arrow scheming to kick Wonder Woman off the team, just textbook Marvel melodrama. And because it’s Englehart, obviously Mantis shows up. And then Englehart leaves after a year and it’s back to normal.

    I’ll be interested to see what the next Avengers writer does. Aaron functionally expanded the Big Three into the Big Five with Captain Marvel and Black Panther. Which left no room in the cast for the traditional Avengers B-tier like Wanda, Vision, Hawkeye, etc. because he needed those roster slots for characters he had character arcs for like Ghost Rider, Blade and She-Hulk. And now we have a major push to turn Shang-Chi into being a major solo player and aligned with the MCU. It seems inevitable that he’ll make the roster. And that Sam-Cap will return for a stint. Are we destined for another multiple Avengers squad era? It’s the old “what am I going to do with 17 X-Men?” problem.

  23. Mike Loughlin says:

    ASV – I think the MU media would cover new Avengers line-up the way real-world media covers sports team line-ups and/or celebrities. Even if the hypothetical audience members never went to NYC, they would hear all about Hawkeye or Black Knight or even Silverclaw the same way they would a Kardashian or starting pitcher.

    I don’t know how much the MU public knows about mutant teams, however. Cyclops makes the news, but does your average MU citizen know about Psylocke or Bishop? I think Wolverines Avengers membership would significantly increase his fame.

  24. Chris V says:

    Mike-Thank you. I couldn’t stand Bendis’ Avengers titles. I didn’t understand why people thought they were quality comics. I’m not a fan of most of Bendis’ comic work, barring a few series…like the first half of his Daredevil run, Alias, or a large portion of the hundred issues of Ultimate Spider Man.
    I was much more of a fan of Hickman’s Avengers which I felt was a huge improvement over Bendis. Speaking of the Avengers as the Justice League, Hickman’s Avengers fit that template better than Bendis. Hickman wrote the Avengers as Marvel’s greatest heroes teaming up to face the threats that are too great for any other heroes to stop. His run even ended with a Crisis.

    Allan-DC hired Englehart with the express purpose of having him do with the Justice League what he had done on the Avengers book. Englehart wasn’t that enthused with the idea and requested he be allowed to write Batman if he agreed to turn Justice League of America into Justice League Avengers. DC agreed to allow him a limited stint on Detective Comics.

  25. ASV says:

    That’s my thinking, too. I’m not sure anybody has ever attempted to delve into it other than Busiek, mostly in Marvels. There’s a panel I really love from the Marvels presentation of the Galactus story, of some people in a hospital looking out the window at Galactus and Uatu, standing blocks away. The whole point of the scene is they have no idea what’s going on, and even though it’s obviously a major thing, they’re probably never going to really know. Come to think of it, Children of the Atom dealt with this pretty well, at least specifically with regard to mutants and Krakoa.

  26. Uncanny X-Ben says:

    Conversely, I read/reread all the main Avengers stuff from Disassembled to now when COVID lockdown started.

    Bendus stuff reads better in trade, though it certainly has flaws. He doesn’t juggle a big cast well and there’s a dearth of fighting traditional villains in contained arcs because it’s always tied up in crossovers.

    Hickman’s Avengers I found tedious, but his Illuminati stuff is a lot better.

    Because it deals with bleak morally compromised scifi stuff which he likes, not superheroing which he seems to find dull.

  27. Joe Iglesias says:

    Mark Coale says:
    “Vibro being Alton Vibereaux is a wonderful bit of that HTA classic, nominative determinism.

    I can’t believe this is the first time I’ve seen the civilian name of Johnny Ohnn, the Spot.

  28. Andrew says:

    Uncanny X-Ben

    I did a similar thing about a decade ago. Re-reading the entire Avengers saga starting with Secret War/Disassembled through until Age of Ultron was a really interesting experience.

    For all of his faults, Bendis’ run did something that nobody had managed to do in years – it made people actually want to read The Avengers again and made it one of the biggest books on the stands at the time.

    I like Buisek’s run but it’s second half is patchy, particularly the overly long Kang storyline. Geoff Johns’ run never finds its feet and he pulls the pin after 18 months to go to DC and Chuck Austen’s run is infamously terrible.

    The early New Avengers stuff through to Civil War was a lot of fun but after that I felt like the book struggled narratively as its status quo got blown up every 8-12 months. Civil War, Secret Invasion, Dark Reign etc

    I fully agree with you though that they read much, much better in collected form rather than month-to-month.

    My biggest takeaway from the latter period of Bendis’ era was that he should have left after Siege. Those last 2-3 years read like a writer who is totally burned out on these characters and is just going through the motions. The Heroic Age period feels like such an anticlimax.

    That said, I quite like that fun eight-issue Avengers Assemble book that Bendis and Bagley did in 2012 where they fight Thanos.

    I’ve been meaning to re-read Hickman’s run. Last time I re-read that was before Secret Wars.

    I remember enjoying it a lot at the time in the same way I enjoy the Morrison era of JLA.

  29. The Other Michael says:

    My experience is that Bendis is really good at small character moments, and works well in the context of a single character or small ensemble. Hence why things like Daredevil or Powers or Alias or Ultimate Spider-Man succeeded.

    However, he gets lost on team titles, which is why, ultimately, his Avengers run fell a bit flat, and why his recent Legion run was downright incomprehensible at times. The more characters he has to juggle, the less focused he gets.

  30. Mark Coale says:

    As someone who read all of Bendis’ books before he went to Marvel, I still prefer that stuff to his Marvel world, except maybe Ultimate.

    Fun fact: I bought a bunch of Jinx pages at the time and many of them had warm-up/practice art on the back of his own JLI stories.

  31. Andrew says:

    The Other Michael

    That Legion run was absolutely impenetrable. And that’s saying something given virtually every attempt to revive the Legion in recent decades has suffered from that exact same problem.

    Aside from there being a clear disinterest in the characters and concept, Every one of the reboots has been impossible for new readers, or even casual comic fans, to understand what the hell is going on.

    I’ve been reading comics for more than 30 years and have a solid understanding of things like Cable’s backstory (or as much as one can I guess) or the JSA but I cannot for the life of me get into the Legion.

    I’ve tried with every reboot since the turn of the Millennium and have dropped the book after a couple of issues each time.

  32. Omar Karindu says:

    The other big problem with Bendis is that he seems as if he loses interest in his own plots partway through.

    Part of this is that he’s much more interested in showing two characters talking about what’s happened than in the stuff actually happening. When he needs to actually resolve a plot point, his tendency is to either do so in a very short, perfunctory action scene with a lopsided outcome or to wheel in a guest star who abruptly takes care of everything.

    There’s a reason he brought in the Sentry, whose primary role in his Avengers stories was to suddenly stop brooding and resolve the action. But that’s the problem: most of what the other characters are doing in a Bendis story just doesn’t matter. There’s almost always one character who either has way more power or who suddenly just…decides to end the plot.

    His tendency, in more “super” books, to give a character what amounts to “end the story’ powers is a symptom of this tendency in his plotting.None of this works with a team book or an ensemble cast, for the obvious reason that, in most stories, most of the team is there as a kind of Greek chorus, whose actions really don’t contribute anything to the plot or its outcome.

    And when he’s writing a lot of books at once, or transitioning off of a book, he tends to offer an anticlimax that ignores a lot of the prior hints and suggestions. I’m hard pressed to think of a single Marvel title in which his final storyline felt like a satisfying resolution to the run.

    All of this makes him a really odd choice to steer big events, and yet he kept doing them. For all that “event” storylines kept soft-rebooting his Avengers titles, it was almost always Bendis himself doing the steering, because he was writing the event storyline: House of M, Secret Invasion, and Dark Reign/Siege were all events he wrote. And all of them, arguably, hijacked his own books and flattened out their plotting.

  33. Josie says:

    Reading about all the House of M – Origins – Civil War mucking about and endless chess piece reorganizing just makes me exhausted thinking about it.

    I just read Bendis’s Torso for the first time, and more than being well written, Bendis was actually pretty accomplished as an indie artist. It’s kind of a shame Marvel never let him draw anything.

    I also read his Joy Operations, his recently concluded Dark Horse series, and it’s a bit of scifi nothing. Nothing is established and the five issues are spent with nonstop bickering internal dialogue. Not great.

    Now I’m reading his 2019 series Cover. It’s . . . certainly got a different premise, but feels a little too insiderish, and the government references just sound like Bendis has no idea what the government does.

  34. Josie says:

    “The other big problem with Bendis is that he seems as if he loses interest in his own plots partway through.”

    That’s a big reason why I’m interested in reading his short creator-owned series. I’m curious what he does when he’s up against a definitive ending.

    To be fair, although it was very weird, I thought his International Iron Man run (7 issues) was pretty good and pretty succinct, and his larger Iron Man run actually had an ending, which is something you don’t usually see in a Bendis book.

  35. Josie says:

    For the record, I dislike more Bendis stuff than I like, and the stuff I dislike, I usually HATE.

    But for some reason I keep giving him the benefit of the doubt and trying his other work, and sometimes he does manage to surprise.

    Batman: Universe was unexpectedly decent. The beginning of his Superman stuff worked until he started on Legion and just seemed to forget about Superman even though he was still writing it.

  36. Thom H. says:

    “I don’t think people would have minded as much had it been an actual storyline with a beginning, a middle and an end, but it turned out it was entirely a status quo that Marvel editorial wanted to just stick with.”

    I think this sums up the problem with the X-men for the past 15 or so years. It’s all status quo changes and no story. As if we’re more interested in where the mutants are living than in what they’re doing.

    Sure, Marvel keeps pulling out new groups of characters for the X-men to butt heads with (Avengers, Inhumans, Fantastic Four, Eternals, Avengers again), but what story is happening in the X-books themselves? Practically nothing besides “Krakoa!” and “Resurrection!” and the yearly “New team!”

    On a separate note, I was really hoping Bendis could set aside some of his obvious weaknesses when writing the Legion because a) I would love for them to have a regular book again and b) those Ryan Sook redesigns were so damn cool. But he was actually worse than ever. No set-up or introduction at all, a sea of completely undifferentiated characters, multiple new “mystery” characters no one cared about, and so much anticlimax that I started to wonder if I had missed the joke. Such a waste of an opportunity and of Sook’s time and energy.

  37. Daibhid C says:

    @Joe Iglesias: I can’t believe this is the first time I’ve seen the civilian name of Johnny Ohnn, the Spot.

    Oh my God. I have seen it before, but I hadn’t figured it out until right now.

  38. Luis Dantas says:

    I’m dumb. What is so funny about the Spot’s name?

  39. Luis Dantas says:

    Oh, I see it now. The expression about being right there at hand.

  40. Uncanny X-Ben says:

    Andrew-

    Yeah I mean you can’t argue that Bendisvengers wasn’t a big deal at the time and it and Civil War didn’t catapult the team back to prominence.

    It’s kid of funny that the Avengers IP is bigger and more mainstream than ever and yet we only have 1.5 Avengers books on the shelves and a lot of the characters are sidelined.

  41. Mark Coale says:

    Andrew,

    Ive been a LSH fan since the Levitz/Giffen era and I’ve not liked most of the modern reboots. Waid’s book was prob the one I liked best and never really dug it.

    I think like Star Trek, I prefer the LSH universe to be positive and not negative.

  42. JD says:

    @Uncanny X-Ben

    We’re already back to four ongoing Avengers book (the main one, Forever, Savage, and the just-launched All-Out).

  43. Uncanny X-Ben says:

    Yeah true about All-Out.

    Savage I didn’t even think of as an actual Avengers book.

    Forever is really just extra issues of Avengers to add weight to Aaron’s finale, hence my .5.

  44. Andrew says:

    Uncanny X-Ben

    Looking back at that era, it’s funny that circa 2002-early 2004, a lot of fans on the forums were largely talking about how much better/more exciting The Ultimates was than any of the 616 Avengers stuff.

    It’s funny the books which end up becoming huge and their ever issue an “event” in and of itself.

    House of X is probably the most recent one I can think of but in that early-mid 2000s era, there was Morrison’s New X-men and later Whedon’s Astonishing X-men, The Ultimates, Jim Lee and Jeph Loeb’s Batman, Dreamwave’s Transformers and then Bendis’ Avengers.

    Bendis’ Avengers is a book which in my memories is tied to graduating from high school – The first issues (Dissassembled) shipped in my final months as a student and Finale (that jam book which capped off the book) came out in November 2004, the week I graduated.

    It’s funny how those things go.

  45. YLu says:

    @Thom H

    I’d say the current era actually does a pretty good job of having actual stories amidst the churn of Big Changes. It probably helps that its major developments so far (Arakko, Quiet Council membership changes) aren’t the sort of “and now half your cast is unavailable haha” developments that in the past unavoidably derailed many a series.

    For example, currently X-Men Red is about Brand and Storm’s conflict for Arakko’s future, X-Force continues Beast’s tedious slide into further moral compromise, New Mutants’ most recent arc was about Magik’s quest to escape her old demons, etc.

  46. Josie says:

    “I was really hoping Bendis could set aside some of his obvious weaknesses when writing the Legion because a) I would love for them to have a regular book again and b) those Ryan Sook redesigns were so damn cool. But he was actually worse than ever.”

    I don’t feel Bendis’s Legion is among his worst. It’s not great, but he avoids some of his major pitfalls. The Legion as a concept is notorious for having characters stand around in the background, but Bendis does try to give a bunch of them the occasion word balloon. Problem is, he doesn’t develop most of the characters, so ala typical Bendis, they all end up talking the same way. He did have a few subplots spinning, but they didn’t really go anywhere.

    I dunno. I want a Legion book to succeed even though I know it can’t in today’s market, and I’m glad Bendis gave it a shot, as he stood more of a chance than most writers to get it to sell. I appreciate the effort even though I don’t like much about the book.

  47. Josie says:

    Also, Bendis’s Millennium issues with Rose were pretty goddamn dumb. If a person is living through centuries, they would necessarily adapt to the change in time, rather than act like a fish-out-of-water time traveler. I was born in the ’80s and I don’t act like a person who time traveled from the ’80s, because I’ve experienced linear time progression.

  48. Nu-D says:

    Funny, in all the dissecting of Bendis’ strengths and weaknesses above, you’d think on an X-Fan site someone would mention his disastrous X-Men run.

    Perhaps it’s a case of collective willful amnesia.

  49. Mike Loughlin says:

    Despite some shortcomings, the Waid/Kitson Legion made me a fan of the property. So much so that I started collecting (cheap) ’80s & ’90s back issues. At one point, I was reading books from 5 different series in any given month (original series, Baxter series, 5YL, ’90s reboot in trade, Bendis/Sook).

    The problem with launching a new Legion book is the size of the cast. The ’90s reboot did it right by building the cast gradually. Waid & Kitson juggled the cast well, at least. Bendis & Sook didn’t.

    Bendis’s problems are spelled out above. I also had issues with Sook’s art. Yes, the redesigns looked good. They were a bit busy, however, and panels got cluttered. It’s easier to distinguish who is doing what with bolder lines and bolder, flat colors. Room’s an excellent artist, but having to draw so many characters in the same panel or page did him no favors.

    I actually liked the Bendis/Sook Legion well enough, but I don”t want more of it. I hope the Legion gets another chance, and soon, with a creative team that tackles the roster problem as well as Levitz, Giffen, Waid, McCraw, and Peyer.

  50. Mike Loughlin says:

    Nu-D: I have no strong feelings on Bendis’s X-Men, but I remember it being reasonably popular. Some people even liked the O5, A concept I found dumb. Of the post-Morrison runs I’ve read (Whedon/Cassaday, Carey/Bachalo/et al, Brubaker/Tan, Gillen 1.0, Wolverine & the X-Men, Bendis, Krakoa), it ranks near the bottom. It has a better reputation that Fraction/Land or the color era, though.

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