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X-Men vol 7 #25

Posted on Wednesday, February 18, 2026 by Paul in Annotations

X-MEN vol 7 #25
“Involved Again”
Writer: Jed MacKay
Penciller: Tony Daniel
Inker: Mark Morales
Colourist: Fer Sifuentes-Sujo
Letterer: Clayton Cowles
Editor: Tom Brevoort

COVER: The new leader of O*N*E in silhouette, with the X-Men viewed through sniper scopes behind him.

This is an anniversary issue (aside from the current numbering, it also has legacy number #325), which means we get a normal length story plus a five-page back-up strip.

THE X-MEN:

As usual, our field team is Cyclops, Kid Omega, Juggernaut, Psylocke, Temper and Magik. Cyclops’ top priority is for them to find Revelation and make sure that the “Age of Revelation” timeline is averted. (Beast points out that driving Revelation away from the X-Men may have made this more difficult, but on the other hand, it also creates a deviation from the history of the “Age of Revelation” timeline.)

In practice, they don’t get very far with their mission this time – on their way to Rio Verde, they run into Fenris and their white supremacist followers and have a fight with them instead. As you might expect, the X-Men take particular pleasure in defeating and humiliating these guys.

Bohannan declares the X-Men to be “citizen auxiliaries” of O*N*E, for the sole purpose of undermining their credibility with other mutants.

SUPPORTING CHARACTERS:

Magneto. Cyclops shares with everyone the fact that his “resurrection-linked degenerative syndrome” didn’t happen in the “Age of Revelation” timeline. The Beast’s first theory is that Magneto’s condition might instead be something to do with the timeline being altered. (Basically, the idea of resurrection being a potential health risk seems to be being kicked into touch.)

Beast. Aside from chipping in the insights already noted, he doesn’t go on the mission in this story, which is usual. We see what he gets up to in the meantime in the back-up strip.

The Morlocks. They’re still living in Rio Verde, as they were during the Krakoan era. The X-Men are planning to visit them, but don’t get as far as actually meeting them in this issue. There is, of course, a splinter “New Morlocks” group in Canada in current issues of Wolverine, but nobody mentions them, and as far as we know they only include two members of the original Morlocks.

Magneto suspects that Revelation might try to make contact with the Morlocks, but doesn’t explain why – perhaps it’s just that they’re the largest easily located community of mutants remaining.

VILLAINS:

Fenris. This is the first time we’ve seen Andrea and Andreas von Strucker since the “Fall of X” period, when they were in the version of the Mutant Liberation Front led by the Nazi version of Steve Rogers. They’re now leading a white supremacist militia group which seems to be mainly made up of humans; more attention than usual is given to the Norse mythology element of their name, and the group is clearly meant to be in that vein. The group incoherently believes that the distinction between humans and mutants is unimportant, but also that white mutants are the pinnacle of the white race.

In terms of how far the twins believe in any of this and how much of it is grift, they were always supposed to be white supremacists; the only bit that’s probably for the consumption of the rubes is the assurance that it doesn’t matter that they’re only humans. Fenris seem to have no particularly concrete plan here beyond attacking the Morlocks for the hell of it (though to be fair, they don’t get far enough for us to see whether there was anything more to the plan). Their followers are simply typical rural thugs, heavily armed, but not with anything beyond the conventional. They seem to have a couple of rocket launchers, but beyond that it’s pick-up trucks and regular firearms.

Andreas carries a sword, referencing his time as the Swordsman in Thunderbolts. When Psylocke seems to be about to kill Andreas, Andrea’s concern for her brother seems sincere.

Frank Bohannan. The new Director of O*N*E, as previously mentioned by Agent Lundqvist, is the former Crimson Commando. He debuted in Uncanny X-Men #215 (1986) as a retconned-in Golden Age hero who had taken to hunting down criminals as a vigilante; he went on to have a stint in Freedom Force and became a cyborg after getting injured in battle. He’s barely appeared this century, and he was killed by Wolverine in Uncanny X-Men #539 after kidnapping Hope Summers to try and force her to restore his mutant powers.

We’re told that he was resurrected off panel during the Krakoan era but promptly left to return to the USA. Obviously, his mutant powers will have been restored as part of that. His powers were essentially the same as Captain America’s, combined with long life – on a day to day level, he’s superhuman, but not by much.

This version of Bohannan seems considerably more jingoistic than he was in the past, though resistance to social change is in character for him and might reasonably account for him rejecting Krakoa. He regards other American mutants as having rejected their nation and come crawling back. Publicly, he claims to detest Nazis (probably true, since he was a World War II hero, though a dangerously liberal opinion for anyone appointed by the current American administration). In every other respect, this is basically a MAGA interpretation of the character (“the only part of the world I care about is this country”), though he stops short of actually wanting to expel mutants, and to some extent he seems to be reacting to the X-Men’s more hubristic claims of being above the law. His stated policy is to deputise mutants to control other mutants, which seems to be at least in part an exercise in trolling, and he publicly claims to be a “proud mutant”, though he seems openly disdainful of them otherwise.

O*N*E. The usual armed and masked goons accompany Bohannan.

CONTINUITY REFERENCES:

  • Cyclops’ mind was swapped for his future self in the “Age of Revelation” event.
  • The Morlocks started living in Rio Verde, Arizona in Marauders vol 1 #7.
  • Future Cyclops drove Cypher and his allies to leave the X-Men and go underground in issue #23.
  • Cyclops learned that “Age of Revelation” Magneto had never had “resurrection-linked degenerative syndrom” in Amazing X-Men vol 3 #3.
  • Psylocke refers to being “raised to believe in nothing but the kill”; extensive flashbacks to her childhood training by the Hand appear in the recent Psylocke ongoing.
  • Agent Lundqvist told Cyclops that the new director of O*N*E was a mutant in issue #20.
  • As the footnote says, Cyclops threatened reprisals against the US government when arguing with Lundqvist in issue #10.
  • The footnote to Bohannan’s death is wrong, however – he died in Uncanny X-Men #539, not #529.

“Inside Joke”
Writer: Jed MacKay
Artist: Agustin Alessio
Letterer: Clayton Cowles
Editor: Tom Brevoort 

THE X-MEN:

The Beast. He decides to contact 3K now that he’s “solved their riddle”, but he does it in Jen’s presence. Somehow, he actually figures out the clue seemingly hidden for him in 3K’s name, which he believes was supposed to make him recognise his own sense of humour.

Jen Starkey. She’s quite taken with her future self in the “Age of Revelation” timeline, not so much for the future timeline itself but because it’s a version of her who isn’t simply a reactive victim. She rather likes the codename “Animalia”, despite recognising the logical paradox if she takes it now.

VILLAINS:

The Chairman. He addresses the Beast as “Dr McCoy” and seems to disavow that name itself (or least prefers “Chairman”). According to the Beast – and the Chairman doesn’t seem to disagree – the name 3K isn’t a reference to mutant dominating the world by the year 3000, but rather refers to the Roman numeral MMM, standing for the Krakoan law “Make More Mutants”. The creation of new mutants has always been 3K’s primary objective.

CONTINUITY REFERENCES:

  • Animalia was seen as a future X-Man in “Age of Revelation” and, in particular, Amazing X-Men.
  • Wyre gave the 3K business card to the Beast in issue #18.

Bring on the comments

  1. The Other Michael says:

    Of all the mutants who could have been tapped to direct O.N.E., the former Crimson Commando does seem like a good pick.

    He’s always been more pragmatic and ruthless than some–when we first met him, after all, he was hunting down criminals with his pals, and then joined Freedom Force as a government agent. (let’s not talk about his stint as a cyborg though). So this sort of position feels in line with his personality and history, and as someone with an extended lifespan who’s seen everything from the ’40s on… well, let’s just agree that he’s ripe for a more conservative outlook.

    And he never did have a huge mutant identity in the time we saw him, so why hang out on Krakoa when he didn’t feel at home? (Hey, where are Stonewall and Super Sabre these days anyway?) He’s a good choice for this. I think he’ll be an interesting antagonist, especially if he’s media savvy like he seems here.

    The Struckers are, as always, the worst people in the room. Again, this feels entirely within their nature as (white) supremacists. They’ve always felt like they have more than a little grifter in them, going where the biggest score is, and hating whoever is most convenient.

  2. John says:

    Always nice to see the X-Men just beat up some nazis. A little surprised that they didn’t actually kill any of them – I get not killing Fenris, with resurrection off the table, but I figured they wouldn’t pull punches against a few goons. And, as noted, it was too bad that Magneto had to sit this one out.

    Was Crimson Commando anyone’s guess for the new O*N*E director? I like a Mackay deep cut, but this is a really deep one – even when he was in Freedom Force, it was only at the tail end of their run together. He also seems to have largely taken on US Agent’s personality, except as a mutant instead of hating mutants.

  3. Mark coale says:

    Always good to see an OHOTOHOTMU alum back in circulation.

  4. Moo says:

    “Hey, where are Stonewall and Super Sabre these days anyway?”

    Hmm. You know, Crimson Commando wore an all red costume (obviously, given the name) while Super-Sabre’s costume was entirely blue. Maybe they could play up the red/blue thing. If Commando’s gone MAGA, maybe they could have Sabre go the other way and show up to object to Bohannan’s new gig (but not actually do much about it except vent his disapproval).

    And I guess Stonewall could struggle with torn allegiances.

  5. Michael says:

    Magneto guessing that Doug was with the Morlocks made no sense. Wouldn’t Doug try seeking help from Kitty or the New Mutants? Magneto seems to be confusing the figurative meaning of underground with the literal meaning. It worked when Factory Beast decoded the 3K message because Factory Beast and the Chairman are different versions of the same person. But Magneto guessing that Doug was heading for the Morlocks made no sense. It’s not as ridiculous as the time Magneto correctly deduced that a villain was after Wanda because of an electromagnetic disturbance in the Mole Man’s tunnels but it’s close.
    There was another community of Morlocks that included Caliban in New York City shown in NYX.
    I wonder if Magneto’s condition is somehow the result of Future Beast’s attempt to warn the X-Men about the Chairman.
    I’m not sure if it makes sense that Andreas is racist against Japanese. His father founded Hydra out of Japanese secret societies so you might think he’d make Japanese an exception to his racism. Or he might not.
    Kwannon cut off one hand of each of the Strucker twins in Uncanny Avengers 4, but not only only they have both of their hands in this issue but they don’t seem to have a grudge against Kwannon.
    Crimson Commando will appear in the upcoming Danger Room arc of X-Men working with Maxine Danger. After that, he will appear in the Baxter Building arc of Fantastic Four working with Buzz Baxter. 🙂
    It’s good that MacKay had Factory Beast and Animalia find out the Chairman of 3K was Krakoa Beast this issue instead of dragging it out. Similarly, it’s a good thing MacKay revealed who the leader of ONE was this issue instead of dragging it out.

  6. Michael says:

    @The Other Michael- Super Sabre and Stonewall were last seen as among Selene’s army of the dead in Necrosha. In the recent Magik and Colossus 1, it was mentioned that Mikhail was never resurrected. So it’s possible that Stonewall and Super Sabre were never resurrected either.
    @John- Brevoort hinted that the Crimson Commando would be appearing somehow in last issue’s letter column. So some readers guessed he would be the head of ONE after that.

  7. Mark Coale says:

    “ And I guess Stonewall could struggle with torn allegiances.”

    Workshopping a joke involving Stonewall Jackson an/or the Stonewall Riots as to whether he is progressive or conservative.

  8. Moo says:

    Is Bohannan wearing his original “Punisher meets Santa Claus” costume in this?

  9. Dave says:

    “Beast points out that driving Revelation away from the X-Men may have made this more difficult, but on the other hand, it also creates a deviation from the history of the “Age of Revelation” timeline”.

    But he doesn’t point out the deviation.

    “Basically, the idea of resurrection being a potential health risk seems to be being kicked into touch.)”.

    Which is odd, because it’s this writer in this title who introduced the idea, only a year or so ago. So if Wiz-kid in the days leading in to planet Doug hadn’t heard of Magneto’s condition, it’s going to be caused in the past by a time-traveller from AFTER AoR? That’s if Beast is right about retrocausality.

  10. sagatwarrior says:

    I am glad that the book finally addressed the issue of mutants repatriating back to the United States and how Crimson Commando is going about it.

  11. Mike Loughlin says:

    I don’t know why Cyclops just let Crimson Commando spew nonsense about how the X-Men were on ONE’s side on live television without any pushback. I can’t see modern Cyclops not saying something like, “He’s lying!” while the cameras were rolling. I think the idea that ONE is undermining the X-Men through publicity would have worked better if Commando had said something to the press afterward and Scott had found out about it after the fact. As it is, Scott looks like an idiot just standing there and not arguing.

  12. Si says:

    Of all the mutants that could be retconned into being gay, I’m genuinely surprised that nobody has made Stonewall into an LGBT activist. He was a dapper old man who lived with his two war buddies. It’s not a stretch.

    You could even say that the people he chose to hunt were always guilty of hate crimes, and he just went along with hunting white collar criminals and so-on so he’d get his turn to pick.

  13. Jdsm24 says:

    @Michael,

    In a world where STEM has advanced to the point that fast-track human cloning has already been perfected and is apparently now relatively easily available globally , replaceable organic body parts surely must be no big deal, which is why the Struckers are not making a big deal out of it.

  14. Michael says:

    @Dave- MacKay has said that he didn’t find out the details of Resurrection of Magneto when he was writing the early issues of X-Men. My guess is that by the time he find out Magneto was being resurrected a different way than the standard Krakoan resurrection he had already written the early scenes that suggested there was something wrong with Magneto. Brevoort tried to explain on the letters page that Magneto’s condition was the result of earlier Krakoan resurrections. But that raised the question why the X-Men concluded the problem was with the Krakoan Resurrection process and not the unique way that Magneto was resurrected if Magento was the only one affected.

  15. Diana says:

    I like the issue overall, but I was confused about the Morlock thing too – shouldn’t Scott already know that Doug’s first target will still be Fabian Cortez?

  16. Michael says:

    @Moo- “Is Bohannan wearing his original “Punisher meets Santa Claus” costume in this?”
    Sorry, he isn’t.

  17. Diana says:

    @Michael: There was also a suggestion fairly early into Simone’s run that Logan’s healing factor wasn’t working right; I assume one of Brevoort’s early ideas was to make RLDS an actual thing (because if it’s the 90s again and we’re doing OZT 2 we might as well do the Legacy Virus again).

  18. Michael says:

    @Diana- I think that Scott’s and Magneto’s reasoning is that Doug didn’t try to rescue Fabian Cortez in the original timeline until after he had the X-Men’s help, so he won’t try to rescue Cortez in this timeline until he has SOMEONE’S help. That logic is understandable- it might not be true but I can see Scott’s and Magneto’s reasoning.
    The problem is how they then jumped to the conclusion- “Doug needs help, so he’ll go to the Morlocks, whom he hardly knows”.

  19. The Other Michael says:

    “Of all the mutants that could be retconned into being gay, I’m genuinely surprised that nobody has made Stonewall into an LGBT activist.”

    What’s even funnier is that the next character to be named Stonewall, (Jerry Sledge) from Hickman’s Secret Warriors run, was supposed to be gay but it was never revealed in the comic. And the Stonewall connection there was entirely unintentional.

  20. Rei says:

    There was much to like here for me. Thrashing Nazis is always a winner, as are savvy antagonists taking advantage of Scott’s inexplicable lack of media training. I suppose it’s fair that he got sandbagged but I’d expect Cyke to be a little cooler under pressure.

    It’s not a good look for none of these X-Men to know about the three separate groups of Morlocks (that we know of.) The NYX group plus Prodigy’s commune seems to be the most populous and public, with Arakki expats integrated for good measure. If I was Doug that’s where I’d be going first in good faith or bad. Maybe they’re meant to look out of touch IDK.

    ‘Retrocausality’ is a HUGE leap with the information they have available. Also, how do you even measure such a thing? Honestly, if it kills RLDS then whatever, great. It was ill-considered from the beginning; cynical and shitty.

    What are they actually planning to do about the ‘future?’ They already said they’re not willing to kill Doug, though Juggs is killing randoms and Fenris came close to being killed So it’s clearly not an objection to taking life. I feel like Hank or someone would at least bring it up.

    1. Find Doug
    2. ???
    3. Good future apparently

  21. John says:

    My guess is that the goal is to somehow remove the Apocalypse imperative from Doug. Cyclops didn’t get to see how even Doug realized that his plan was crazy, but he’d know that a solution that both saves the world and doesn’t just kill Doug means removing the compulsion for world domination or removing the capacity, and Cyclops has spent his whole life fighting “evil mutants” generally without resorting to depowering them or killing them.

    Cyclops has two telepaths on his team, plus pretty much all the world’s telepaths on his Rolodex (is his daughter doing anything since X-Force folded?). It wouldn’t be that hard to help Doug lose the compulsion to be a super-villain without maiming him, would it?

  22. Si says:

    It probably won’t come up in this title, but Cyclops was once possessed by Apocalypse himself, so he knows how to undo that sort of thing from personal experience.

  23. Chris V says:

    Si-He needed Jean and Cable’s help to fully defeat Apocalypse, and that was with Scott rejecting and trying to fight Apocalypse. Doug accepted Apocalypse’s offer.
    Plus, it’s not often mentioned (probably for very good reason) but Morrison’s version of Cyclops was building off of the fact that Cyclops was left traumatized after being purged of Apocalypse. Scott turned to Emma due to Emma being there to help him face his trauma while Jean seemed to have moved on with her life while Cyclops was possessed. It was only Phoenix resetting the timeline while telling Scott that he needed to live again and giving her blessing to Scott’s relationship with Emma when Scott fully moved on from what Apocalypse had done to him.

  24. Diana says:

    @Rei: *Is* it a huge leap? Future Scott thought Magneto still had his powers (and, in AoR, he *did* have his powers); what other explanation other than time travel shenanigans could account for that?

  25. Moo says:

    @Chris V – He wasn’t *really* traumatized by Apocalypse. He was going through a personal rut, or an early mid-life crisis or whatever it is that makes people want to take road trips or go on cattle drives with Billy Crystal or (in Scott’s case) bang their therapist.

  26. Jdsm24 says:

    @ChrisV

    Actually , Jean REFUSED to move on during the time that everyone else had written off Scott for dead (in fact this is why she remained unmarried a hundred years into the alternate utopian future of of the Ages of Apocalypse finale, which is what would have happened to the timeline had Scott never been rescued by being separated from Apocalypse), and this is why she was still able to pick up on his distress signals through their psychic rapport in the Search for Cyclops. Their alienation of affection only began after he returned when they grew apart because he was having his own personal existensial crisis (he was deconstructing his own “boy scout” persona due to prolonged exposure to En Sabah Nur’s own lifetimes worth of memories) due to PTSD (beginning in Scott Lobdell’s brief return storyline of Eve of Extinction) while Jean was becoming detached from humanity because she was secretly rehosting the Phoenix Force (beginning with Steven Segal’s run) .

  27. Dave says:

    “Honestly, if it kills RLDS then whatever, great.”

    But it hasn’t killed it off, because present day Magneto is still affected. They’re going to have to prevent whatever time shenanigans caused it (IF that ‘s what happened) with time travel of their own.

  28. Chris V says:

    Jdsm-That’s probably all true, but there was a six month gap between the end of “The Twelve” and Claremont returning for “Revolution” (well after Seagle), and the idea was that Jean had taken up a larger leadership position with mutants during that six month gap which left her preoccupied with her own priorities and thus not having as much time to deal with Scott’s issues, leading to them already starting to grow apart by the time of Morrison’s run. I didn’t mean that Jean had moved on from her marriage after Scott was possessed, but that Scott felt as if Jean had moved on with her life while he was gone, taking on more responsibility when he felt like he needed more from Jean than she was able to give by the time of the Morrison run. As you said, they grew apart after Scott’s return, which I never said otherwise.

    I just like to point that part out because people still like to complain that Morrison ignored continuity with their version of Scott. Morrison was respectful of continuity, even using the plot of a largely reviled mini-series as the reason for Scott’s characterization in New X-Men.

  29. Jdsm24 says:

    @ChrisV ,

    Ah , thanks for the clarification , when you put it that way , it makes sense , Jean had her own career so she couldn’t nursemaid him 24-7 like she did after Operation Zero Tolerance . And 1990s Marvel’s X-editorial , though it was demonized by all of the prima donna writers beginning with the Quesada & Jemas era , still actually cared about continuity , not like now tsk tsk tsk (but that’s perhaps for the best , dead characters can escape getting killed [Eye-Boy, D-Man, Rage surviving being possessed by Poisons] , new legacy characters can get introduced [Regan Wyngarde and Martinique Jason being separate characters] , and controversial retcons can be quietly undone [Planet X Xorneto fusion, as well as Pietro and Wanda restored as Magneto’s biological offspring, being all but confirmed on-panel due to various on-panel revelations over the years all but confirmed on-panel in-page] because writers manage to get away with whatever they want due to disinterested / indifferent / apathetic editors LOL

  30. Thom H. says:

    Oh, Fenris is in this? I love them. They’re so fun to hate.

    And I always assumed the original Stonewall was gay. Was he not? Created by Claremont + his obvious name + that mustache? Come on.

  31. Moo says:

    @Thom – Yeah. You’re very likely right.

    I didn’t pick up on it when he first appeared. I hadn’t heard of the Stonewall Riots way back then and I didn’t think anything of that mustache either. I think that was probably because the Swordsman’s mustache was similar and Swordsman was in love with (and died for) Mantis.

  32. Chris V says:

    Wouldn’t Crimson Commando and Super Sabre have a problem with an openly gay man being their partner, especially naming himself after the Stonewall Riots? Weren’t the trio motivated by what they perceived as the decline of morals in America?
    If so, it sounds like the name would have been used ironically. It seems to me Claremont would want a character named after the Stonewall Riots to be used in a more positive manner.

    I always took it that the character was named after “Stonewall” Jackson, but I saw that he was from Massachusetts. It would be odd for someone born in the north to name themselves after a Confederate general.

    It was acceptable to name a character after a Confederate hero in the ‘80s, although maybe not portray that character in the most positive light. In the ‘60s, DC used JEB Stuart in a heroic light.
    There was a progression: Heroic characters can be named after Confederates – Characters can be named after Confederates, but should be portrayed negatively – It’s offensive to use the name of Confederate heroes – Confederates can be heroic. It’s gone full circle. That’s progress.

    It’d be easy to change the character today. Stonewall was selecting targets which had committed hate crimes against the LGBTQ-community at a time when the law might look the other way about such an offence, but only told his partners that these were violent criminals who had avoided prosecution.

  33. Chris V says:

    Sorry, Si. I just noticed you already considered that idea for Stonewall, and I just copied it. I think I read your comment last night but forgot I had read it; I thought it was my own idea. Didn’t mean to plagiarize.

  34. Moo says:

    “It was acceptable to name a character after a Confederate hero in the ‘80s, although maybe not portray that character in the most positive light.”

    The Dukes of Hazzard movie based on the old television series. That movie came out in 2005.

    It was still acceptable in 2005 for two film protagonists to name their Dodge Charger “General Lee”.

  35. Si says:

    I don’t know of any gay male characters made by Claremont. It’s possible that he was dropping hints, but if so it was more subtle than his regular lesbian subtext (wel, exceptfor the name). Maybe Silvestri was drawing his own hints, but I think it’s more likely Stonewall had a moustache like old fashioned movie heroes, because he was an old “hero” himself. I’m happy to be wrong on this, of course.

    (And don’t worry about the subconscious plagiarism. Even George Harrison did that once.)

  36. Omar Karindu says:

    The backstory for Super Sabre, Crimson Commando, and Stonewall placed them as World War II-era stateside heroes who later asked for permission to root our Communists only to be told to retire.

    In-universe, Stonewall would’ve chosen his name well before it was associated with the Stonewall Riots.

  37. SanityOrMadness says:

    Michael> Super Sabre and Stonewall were last seen as among Selene’s army of the dead in Necrosha. In the recent Magik and Colossus 1, it was mentioned that Mikhail was never resurrected. So it’s possible that Stonewall and Super Sabre were never resurrected either.

    Mikhail was the non-Beast big bad of Krakoa X-Force for most of the run. He only died very near the end.

  38. Thom H. says:

    Huh – that’s a good point, Omar. I didn’t think about the timing.

    I still think naming a character “Stonewall” in the ’80s couldn’t be anything but intentionally telling us his sexuality, but I’m biased and happy to be wrong.

    Claremont co-created Northstar. But that probably doesn’t count since Byrne took the reins on that character pretty early.

    As far as what military guys might think of gay comrades, I have met very few vets who care about someone’s sexuality. And I’ve worked with plenty of old, sexist, racist @ssholes. One or two of them were outwardly homophobic, but most of them didn’t bat an eye at learning I’m married to a man.

  39. Moo says:

    “In-universe, Stonewall would’ve chosen his name well before it was associated with the Stonewall Riots.”

    Yesh, but that doesn’t mean anything when it comes to a writer choosing to make timely/cultural references.

    In-universe, I assume Stonewall chose his name and his battlement-themed costume simply because both were appropriate to his abilities and that it had nothing to do with anything else.

    But that doesn’t necessarily mean Claremont didn’t choose the name Stonewall because he knew the character was gay and that the name choice was intended as a subtle clue.

  40. Chris V says:

    Thom-I have no idea how soldiers think. I’m just thinking of these guys being active in the 1940s, when you would be discharged from military service for being openly gay, which continued into the ‘60s during the Vietnam War, when dissenters would risk social opprobrium for fabricating they were gay so they wouldn’t get sent to Vietnam. Up to during the ‘90s when Bill Clinton passed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”.
    Plus, these guys were vigilantes. Even if they were accepting of having an openly gay mate in the army at a time when 98% of the rest of the country would not, it’s weird to have them spouting off rhetoric taken from Taxi Driver in PG-form, but being accepting of having a gay man on their team referencing a revolt for their rights by people they’d consider “immoral”.

    I just don’t know. In the 1980s, I don’t see Stonewall Riots being as mainstream as it is today, even though it was much more timely. I know Claremont was into what would have been considered sexual subcultures of the time, but I’m not sure if he would have been thinking of that when thinking of the term “stonewall” for a character who was immovable. I just find it an unusual character for Claremont to name after the Stonewall Riots. If he had created a new X-Men character named Stonewall, I’d definitely agree.

  41. Michael says:

    @Chris V- Morrison had Scott complain that Jean never dresses sexy around him like when she wore the Black Queen outfit. Considering that she was being mind-controlled at the time, Scott is basically reacting to Jean being horribly violated by complaining “Why can’t she dress sexy like that all the time?” Scott’s attitude is disgusting and I wonder if Morrison misremembered the continuity, like when he claimed that Sebastian Shaw was telepathic or Talia drugged and raped Bruce during Son of the Demon. (Then again, he admitted the Talia thing was a mistake.)

  42. Michael says:

    @SanityorMadness- Yeah, but (a) Quentin died later and was resurrected and (b) Joey, Gailyn and Sally Floyd’s kid are still apparently dead.

  43. Michael says:

    Stonewall Jackson got his nickname from an incident where the Union Forces tried to break his brigade’s lines but were driven back. Stonewall’s mutant power was that every time someone like Rogue or Cannonball slammed into him, he remained standing and they were driven back. It’s fairly clear that his power is an allusion to the incident where Stonewall Jackson got his name.

  44. Moo says:

    @Michael – The term “stonewalling”, even in the context associated with Jackson didn’t originate from Jackson’s tactics. It existed before then.

  45. Michael says:

    @Si- It was Alan Davis, not Marc Silvestri, who first drew Stonewall unmasked. And no, I don’t think Davis usually intended mustaches to signify gay either.

  46. neutrino says:

    Whether Claremont intended him to be gay or not, that’s how he’ll be portrayed as now because of his name. Similarly Katie power was turned into a lesbian because her power left a rainbow trail.

  47. Michael says:

    @neutrino- That’s JULIE Power. Katie is the one who could absorb and emit energy.

  48. neutrino says:

    Got them mixed p, although the four did swap powers.

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