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X-Men #17 annotations

Posted on Wednesday, June 4, 2025 by Paul in Annotations

X-MEN vol 7 #17
“Visitor”
Writer: Jed MacKay
Penciller: Ryan Stegman
Inkers: JP Mayer, Ryan Stegman & Livesay
Colourist: Fer Sifuentes-Sujo
Letterer: Clayton Cowles
Editor: Tom Brevoort

THE X-MEN

Cyclops, Psylocke, Temper, Magik and Juggernaut are all still fighting the 3K X-Men throughout this issue, and their plot doesn’t advance that much.

Kid Omega. He survived the explosion in issue #14 thanks to a psychic “macro” that created a telekinetic shield around him while he was unconscious, only to be opened on the arrival of an “authorised ally”. We’ve seen him do something broadly similar when he used pre-prepared mental traps to beat the more experienced Professor X in issue #13, though that was reusing a trick he’d picked up from Cassandra Nova.

His list of authorised allies includes all of his current teammates and the Factory supporting cast, but it also includes Phoebe Cuckoo, who was his girlfriend in the Krakoa run of X-Force. She very much isn’t now, but clearly Quentin still thinks she rates a mention – or her name just comes to mind when he’s panicking.

SUPPORTING CAST

Magneto. Beast claims that with his current lack of control over his powers, he’d risk wiping out Merle if he actually cut loose, even with the benefit of the drug he took last issue. Nonetheless, he seems to have no real trouble in controlling the Sentinel.

He wryly tells the twin that the other X-Men will probably have made annoying speeches to her, but he won’t be doing that – but, as Cassandra points out, he goes on later in the issue to do exactly that. His speech is about the imporance of using violence with control, so that it’s more than just a tantrum.

Beast. He claims to have total faith in Magneto, because “He’s terrorised me since I was a teenager.” This seems more like awe than rationality.

Xorn. He finds Kid Omega. As in issue #15, he believes that if Kid Omega was dead, he’d feel it.

Ben Liu. He’s alarmed at seeing Magneto in trouble, and unhappy that Magneto is in action at all in this condition. As in previous chapters of this arc, he wants to get more involved and take action, which prompts a warning about the damage he could do without proper control of her powers. As it turns out, his plan doesn’t involve using his powers – yet, anyway.

Jennifer Starkey. She and Ben take …

Piper Cobb … back home to her mother…

Rose Ellen Cobb. Yes, she’s  been an anti-mutant campaigner in the past. But she hardly rates as a villain in this story since she’s just worried about her missing daughter. Presumably, Ben, Jennifer and Piper will be asking her to talk to the twin and exercise some motherly persuasion. Given Rose’s aversion to mutants and the fact that her new daughter is a violent monster, this may not go brilliantly.

VILLAINS

3K. There’s a lot of 3K in this issue – everyone listed below is a 3K member except for the twin, who’s allied with them anyway.

According to the Chairman, 3K’s agenda is to take control of evolution, “correct nature’s mistake in favouring the flatscans” and “rectify the randomness we have always been so at the mercy of in increasing our number.” In other words, the aim seems to be to promote mutant dominance, but by creating suitable mutants rather than relying on naturally occurring ones.

3K has a charter which expressly forbids the members from assembling clone armies, apparently due to their mutual mistrust. Mr Sinister was not invite to join.

The Chairman. He thinks it’ll be good propaganda for 3K that Magneto is using a Sentinel. Evidently the hope is to get the mutant population on side. He claims to be a mutant, and to have a track record with “clone troops” of his own. We still aren’t told who he is.

Cassandra Nova. She seems to be competing to show that her protégé, the twin, is more valuable to 3K than Wyre’s X-Men. She gets quite agitated on seeing Magneto in a Wild Sentinel, seemingly offended that one of the machines she used to wipe out Genosha in New X-Men #115 is being hijacked. (Or maybe just a machine of that type? Either way, she seems possessive about it.)

Astra. The “Doctor” is indeed Astra. She had a brief cameo in House of X #5 as one of the villains arriving on Krakoa, but aside from that, 3K seems to be her first major role since she created a clone version of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants in the 2012 miniseries Magneto: Not a Hero.

She has a new Magneto clone, also called Joseph, and seems more interested in doing flamboyant supervillain things than actually advancing 3K’s agenda. She still wants to churn out Magneto clones and believes that flipping the Earth’s poles would be a great idea. (This was her plan in the “Magneto War” crossover in 1999, where she was introduced.) Nobody else in 3K seems to have any time for this nonsense, and it’s not entirely clear why they want her there – scientific knowledge, presumably, but the Chairman seems to have that too. In issue #15, she was the one responsible for teleporting the 3K X-Men to Alaska, but that’s her mutant power, and she can’t have made the 3K leadership simply as a stand-in Magik.

Joseph. The new Joseph stands silently behind Astra, dressed as Magneto. He’s clearly listening to the argument but it’s hard to read his reaction. The Chairman isn’t sure whether this is Astra’s third or fourth Joseph.

Wyre. He seems very happy with the performance of the 3K X-Men, although since he also takes the opportunity to break into the Factory, you have to wonder whether the criterion is “are they making a good distraction”. Nonetheless, he does describe them as killers and hardcases, which he clearly regards as a good thing. He regards training killers as an area of great experience, and he looks down on Cassandra’s approach of simply manipulating the twin into helping – he dismisses the twin as a “stray”.

According to Cassandra, Wyre was 3K’s second choice after Sabretooth turned out to be dead (following the “Sabretooth War” storyline in Benjamin Percy’s Wolverine). Presumably, the role is just to be a killer for hire, since Sabretooth would hardly be interested in 3K’s political agenda and Wyre isn’t even a mutant at all.

The 3K X-Men: Schwartzchild, Constellation, Galatea, Timebomb, Psychovore and Juice. Like the real X-Men, we only see them briefly in this story as the fight continues in the background.

According to Cassandra, they’re ex-SHIELD agents. Cyclops thinks that their tactics are too dependent on leader Schwartzchild being around. Schwartzchild claims to be baffled by how someone with powers as mundane as Cyclops became a mutant leader, missing the point about what leadership entails – although it’s hardly an unusual attitude in the Krakoan era, and Arakko insisted on all their leaders being omega mutants.

Piper’s twin. Since her agenda at the moment is to smash up Merle by way of revenge, Magneto’s speech about tantrums actually sems to give her pause. But Cassandra quickly gets her back under control by playing up Magneto’s hypocrisy about speech-giving to undermine him.

Bring on the comments

  1. MaakuJ says:

    I think Joseph being in Orlando’s first Scarlet Witch volume complicated the count.

  2. Dave says:

    I’ve always thought of Cyclops as being one of the more powerful mutants. Inferno ends with his blast beating Sinister through sheer power, doesn’t it? Yes, Sinister may have been faking or something, but it’s what they believe at the time. The original run of original 5 as X-Factor ends with Apocalypse…obliterated by an optic blast.

  3. Michael says:

    Phoebe listed among Quentin’s “authorized allies” makes me wonder what’s going on with her. In NYX, she allied with Empath and tried to Julian to murder innocent humans. However. in NYX 10. she helps the heroes against Mojo. Are we supposed to assume that this means that all is forgiven and that she’s an ally of the X-Men again? Or is Quentin just ignoring everything she did because he’s in love with her and he knows he’s done worse?
    “It’s not entirely clear why they want her there – scientific knowledge, presumably, but the Chairman seems to have that too.”
    Keep in mind both Sinister and the Sugar Man have said they can’t duplicate what 3K did to unlock the X-gene in ordinary humans without more data. Presumably Astra used a trick that isn’t obvious even to experts in the field.

  4. Chris V says:

    It’s a matter of power creep. In the Silver Age, Cyclops was portrayed as the most powerful X-Man. A lot of Silver Age stories actually revolve around Scott’s power being too powerful, and he must fight to keep his awesome power under control. Even under Claremont, he’d probably still rank in the top three, behind Jean and Storm.
    Since that time, we now how mutants operating at the level of actual gods, being able to terraform Mars. Cyclops can just shoot out some red eyebeams, he can’t wipe out all life on the planet in a few seconds (if they so chose), like the Omega-level mutants.

  5. Michael says:

    Re: the Chairman’s identity- Note that he describes Cyclops’s X-Men as “Scott’s X-Men”. That seems to suggest he has some familiarity with Scott, like they were once friends or colleagues.
    I’m more confused that ever about the Chairman’s identity this issue. The Chairman says to Astra “With your predilection for clones I can hardly keep track” and Astra replies “You’re one to talk”. And later on he talks about “my clone troops”. This would seem to eliminate Doug, since he has nothing to do with cloning.
    However, in the Timeslide one shot, Doug has an army of Warlock drones. The difficulty is that they were described as drones and not clones in that issue. Then again, it’s Bronze who describes them as drones- maybe Doug considers them o be clones. But that still seems iffy.
    Some people have suggested that the Chairman is Sublime. The problem is that Sublime is not a mutant. (Yes, I know he can take control of people’s bodies but if Dr. Strange used his astral form to take control of Wolverine’s body, would Strange suddenly become a mutant?) Plus, I can’t see Sublime referring to Cyclops as “Scott”.
    The other possibility I’ve heard people suggest is Dark Beast. He’s impersonated Hank before, so referring to Cyclops as Scott would make sense. He seemed to want to be a part of the X-Men in a twisted way in Rosenberg’s X-Men, so assembling his own X-Men makes sense. And it makes sense for him to be obsessed with Doug as Apocalypse’s heir. The problem is that the Chairman’s body type doesn’t match Dark Beast.

  6. Sam says:

    Running through the list of mutant geneticists that have used clone armies and are not Mister Sinister leaves a relatively scarce list. Dark Beast and Sugarman have experience with AoA’s Infinites. While the idea of having Dark Beast and Beast in the same book might appeal to some, I hope it doesn’t to McKay. I can’t see Sugarman working with others.

    The Inhumans have their Alpha Primitives, so the Beyonder that the Illuminati met could be a candidate, but I think everyone wants to forget that story.

    Arnim Zola and the Jackal aren’t mutants.

    I’m going to guess that the Chariman is Maelstrom, as he has cloned minions (an exaggeration of a cloned army). He’s an Inhuman-Deviant hybrid, and the Deviants seem to be sort of, kind of mutants by the most recent Eternals book. He’s connected to Oblivion, so he can serve as a crossover with Storm!

  7. Chris V says:

    Maelstrom has never met Cyclops before though, has he? I can’t see someone who has never met Cyclops calling him “Scott” as if they know each other.

    Sublime’s purpose was to halt evolution. At least under Morrison. I don’t remember how the character has been misused since “Here Comes Tomorrow”. It seems like 3K is attempting to jumpstart evolution. Although, Sublime’s goal was to control evolution, making it homogenized, through genetic engineering, and 3K’s mutants are genetically engineered. Still, though, they were talking about these “created mutants” being counted as real mutants, not just mutates (using Marvel parlance).
    Plus, no, Sublime was not a mutant. He’s a sentient bacteria.

  8. Ryan T says:

    I don’t know that it actually makes any sense, but the point about familiarity with Scott and the idea of someone who would be a big name reveal but hasn’t been in circulation lately makes me think of Cameron Hodge as a possibility.

  9. Sam says:

    Chris V – Maelstrom did have Cosmic Awareness and is therefore comfortable with calling anyone by their first name!

  10. The Other Michael says:

    This talk about Cyclops’ power makes me think… it works because his eyes are apertures into a dimension of pure concussive force. He doesn’t generate the energy on his own, he just opens the way for it to come through. Yeah, this explanation alternates with him converting solar power into energy, but last I checked it was from the Punch Dimension.

    (Yes, I know, this is entirely at odds with how Havok and Vulcan’s similar powers work.)

    So this means he could be immensely powerful under the right circumstances. I mean, depending on his ability to hold the portal open and release the energy. Enhanced, I suppose he could split the world. Now that would be power creep.

    Imagine if Rogue borrowed both Eye Boy and Cyclops’ powers and proceeded to shoot optic blasts from every single one of her borrowed eyes. 360 pew pew.

    But then again, he can be defeated by a pair of sunglasses or by removing his eyes.

    Of course the real reason he’s dangerous is his tactical skills.

    I wonder if the Chairman could be Maximus the Mad. In the Age of Apocalypse, Apocalypse used Madrox as a single-man army of lackeys, but that’s not quite the same thing.

  11. Michael says:

    @The Other Michael- Maximus is an Inhuman, not a mutant.
    An evil Madrox might work but we just an evil Maddox storyline a few months ago in Dazzler and everyone hated it. I doubt they’d go back to that well so soon.

  12. John says:

    Gerry Duggan’s first year of X-Men compared Cyclops to Thor, as the heavy hitter you call in to clean up. On the other hand, someone played off Cyclops’s insecurities with his power by suggesting that, as the weakest of Xavier’s original students, he needed to be the leader to make up for it (I want to say Cassandra Nova during the Whedon story, but that might be incorrect).

    In any case, his analogy to lining up the obstacles like pool balls was a nice synergy between his mutant power (which includes an inate talent for geometry) and his actual power as a strategist.

  13. The Other Michael says:

    What if Maximus was an Inhuman mutant. Or a mutant Inhuman.

    I’m sure that whoever the Chairman is, it’ll be a letdown. I mean, it’s like, who asked for Astra and Wyre as major players in the 3K storyline? Might as well bring back the Mutant Master from Factor Three somehow. Now that would be an unexpected deep cut. Maybe he wasn’t -all the way- dead…?

  14. Chris V says:

    Maybe Maximus isn’t so mad? He saw the Inhumans fail spectacularly in the attempt to usurp the place of mutants in the Marvel Universe, so now he’s pretending to be a mutant to stay in the spotlight.

    I’d love to see the Mutant Master return.
    Which character that fits the theme wouldn’t be a disappointment at this point (other than the Mutant Master, of course)? Sublime would be a major reveal, if he hadn’t been ruined after Morrison, although he doesn’t fit the clues.
    Sugar Man?
    Dark Beast?
    They’d both be huge disappointments.
    Ramsey the Damned might not be a disappointment, but he’d be too obvious a choice, so disappointing in his own way.
    I feel like the reveal of Astra and (especially) Wyre was to make a disappointing “Chairman” reveal seem more momentous. “A character that no one remembers and one we want to forget? Why, this tepid Chairman reveal is…well, ok.”

  15. Jdsm24 says:

    Over in /CO/‘s weekly XBooks storytime , someone suggested the Master of the World (fits with the helmet) but he’s not ever been revealed as an “X-gene positive” mutant yet .

    No-Prize : Cyclop’s Primary Mutation IS the SAME as Havok (cosmic/solar radiation absorption and plasma discharge), but from the eyes , which is why in other universes (like the cartoons) and in certain ambiguously-canonical moments in 616 he apparently has heat vision , the channeling of the “punch dimension”* (which I believe is actually Cytorrak’s Crimson Cosmos” , I mean unstoppable red-colored kinetic energy 24-7, so obvious right?) is actually his Secondary Mutation

    * Chris Claremont’s explanation in XMen The End of Gambit’s own primary mutation (which is to generate biokinetic energy 24-7 , giving him the secondary mutation of being a superhuman acrobat/athlete on the same level as Nightcrawler and other animal-type mutants) : Gambit is a chimeric clone son of OG pre-Apocalypse Nathaniel Essex mixed with Scott Summer’s X-gene

  16. MasterMahan says:

    @john Cyclops being the weakest of the original 5 is a stretch when Angel is right there.

  17. Diana says:

    @The Other Michael: That seems a bit short-sighted – writers make viable characters out of the obscure and the ill-used all the time. If MacKay can make Astra and Wyre interesting, more power to him.

  18. Krzysiek Ceran says:

    The point about Cyclops being made the leader of the O5 to compensate for something wasn’t about power levels, it was about his insecurities. Warren was pretty and rich, that was enough to make Scott feel like his lesser.

    (why do I remember a piece of dialogue from a comic book I’ve read 20 years ago?)

    As for the Chairman – I think that Dark Beast fits. He was constantly experimenting on himself, so the body shape could be explained away (and it obfuscates his identity at the moment).

    Though DB didn’t really clone anybody, did he?

    Anyway, it would be really weird dialogue if it turns out to be Bad Doug in the end.

  19. NS says:

    @Chris V: Sublime wasn’t described as a mutant by Morrison. However, McKay could easily connect that a sentient, evolved bacteria (with a similarly evolved sister bacteria, Arkea, no less) is just another way to say mutant. Also, Sublime’s character evolution over time has been to tone down the genocidal antics and to work to do more niche but still destructive things with the X-Gene for his own ends. Also, in the all women X-Men book from a while back, it is heavily implied that he has a romantic interest in or was actually dating Rachel Summers. It was a weird subplot that went nowhere. So, he still might fit as the 3K leader.

  20. Alastair says:

    @dave In inferno Cyclops “kills” Sinister by being super charged by Havok. A mutant circuit in action.

    Scott is the 3rd most powerful of the O5 nowadays Bobby and Jean above Warren and Hank below. But for a long time he has been written in the same vain a Mr Fantastic, yes his power is impressive but what is more important is his Brain (as a strategist for Scott not as a super genius)

    Hopefully Joesph can be used to get them out of the Corner they have written Magneto into, Not a resurrection issue but a clone drawing power from him.

  21. Michael says:

    @Kryzsiek- Sam mentioned Dark Beast’s involvement with the Infinites. Besides, “our” Beast cloned people during the Krakoan era. So if Dark Beast heard about it, he might have been inspired to create a clone army of his own.

  22. Krzysiek Ceran says:

    Oh, right, I forgot the Infinites were different from the Madri.

    Okay, so Dark Beast fits even better.

    By the way, is anybody else having issues with ‘Too Many Requests’ errors popping up when accessing this site? I’ve had them multiple times throughout the week.

  23. Rolzup says:

    It’s deeply unlikely, but it might even be Krakoan Beast, whose body has not (to my knowledge) been seen. He had plenty of clones, knows Scott well, and the Chairman’s goals seem in line with Bad Hank’s.

  24. Taibak says:

    Wasn’t Jean usually described as the weakest of the O5, at least until the Phoenix showed up? I think I remember someone mentioning that from when either Stan or Claremont was writing the series.

    And wouldn’t sentience be a mutation for a bacterium?

  25. Chris V says:

    “And wouldn’t sentience be a mutation for a bacterium?”

    Not according to Arthur S. Reber’s Cellular Basis of Consciousness.
    Morrison’s point was that Sublime’s sole purpose in existing was simply survival. Sublime has no higher purpose, other than his own base survival, at any cost. Morrison was making a point about evolution. It’s not about simply surviving (as a bacteria would see life), but about progress and change. Sublime wanted to halt evolution, so that only Sublime could survive.
    I wouldn’t say it would make Sublime a “mutant” in the sense of how the term is used in the Marvel Universe. Otherwise, it’s similar to saying that all modern Homo Sapiens are “mutants” because they’re not Cro-Magnon.

    Yeah, you know Stan Lee would be writing that Jean was the weakest member of the team, even on a team with a guy who could do nothing more than simply fly. Stan Lee was also writing that the Invisible Girl was the weakest member of the FF.
    I think Lee meant it as physically weak, in that they both had long-range powers which wouldn’t require them to fight. Lee was writing comics with prepubescent males in mind, and the theory at the time was that boys would be intimidated by seeing a physically strong female. So, characters like Jean or Sue would be kept in the background during fights allowing the male team members to be physically strong. Jean might do something like cause a villain’s cape to go lift over their head, so that male member could get the physical advantage.

  26. Thom H. says:

    Totally. In the ’60s “invisible” powers like telepathy and telekinesis were seen as weak when women had them, but strong and menacing when men had them. Because of the inherent differences between men’s and women’s brains, of course.

    In practice, there was little to no difference between the forcefields that Jean, Sue, and even Magneto were wielding all the time. Except that the women were younger, somewhat less experienced in using their powers, and their brains had less upper body strength(?).

  27. Paul says:

    The weakest of the original X-Men is pretty clearly the Beast, who Jean throws around the room in the first issue without breaking a sweat.

  28. Steven Kaye says:

    Just put Beast on a team with Wonder Man and Hellcat so he can be happy.

    And if the Chairman turns out to be alternate Apocalypse in Stryfe’s body I will be annoyed.

  29. Si says:

    People are going to be disappointed by the identity of the Chairman no matter who it’s revealed to be. So I propose it be Richard Nixon, who faked his death in that Captain America comic. Hear me out, it all makes sense, he has an X in his name.

  30. neutrino says:

    In Marauders vol.2, Steve Orlando retconned Sublime as a bioweapon created by prehistoric mutants.

  31. Jdsm24 says:

    @neutrino, yeah but Steven Orlando himself revealed that those prehistoric mutants were the result of a time paradox created by Kate Pryde and the Marauders , who were so long ago they had little effect on the actual original timeline , in relation , Kieron Gillen further retconned later that all out-of-place people in Jason Aaron’s 1,000,000 BC as being due to modern prehistoric humans who fell into time portals implied to be due to the destabilization of the timeline caused by the battle royale final showdown between Eternal patriarchs Ouranous and Kronos , and this ancient global human civilization was later wiped out anyway by the Asgardian god of fear , Cul the Serpent , in flashbacks in Fear Itself

  32. Jdsm says:

    (Continued) So, since the prehistoric mutants of Threshold * (or at least those who were clones of the 16 million massacred Genoshans) were not originally part of the timeline, maybe Sublime and Arkea were not actually creations per se of Threshold but pre-existing entities who were turned into bioweapons by TH (like Wolverine and Weapon X)

    * there had to have already been a basic Threshold civilization (maybe due to Gillen’s finetuning of Aaron’s concept) even before Kate Pryde sent the 16M Genoshan genetic samples to the past because it breaks suspension of disbelief that an advanced oxygen-breathing x-gene mutant civilization could emerge all on its own from the literal primordial soup in such a relatively limited space and time (someone had to already be around to welcome and raise to maturity all those infants who emerged from Threshold’s “Birthing Sea”) , and maybe the changes caused by KP’s time paradox are what made Krakoa become a kinder and gentler island due to its parent Okkara’s past as Grove of Threshold , which became a hippie commune only after it was enhanced by all the mutants and humans who were cloned from the 16M+ genetic samples sent back in time

  33. neutrino says:

    I didn’t go into the background of the mutants Orlando implausibly created because the point was the artificial nature of Sublime.

  34. Mark says:

    On Phoebe as an “authorized ally”:

    Look, I never update my emergency contact information, either.

  35. Ben Hunt says:

    *On the other hand, someone played off Cyclops’s insecurities with his power by suggesting that, as the weakest of Xavier’s original students, he needed to be the leader to make up for it*

    Weaker than Beast and Angel? They didn’t even have any energy generation powers. Beast was essentially a big guy with big feet. Angel had hollow bones, for goodness sake. Cyclops could have easily defeated either of them.

  36. Ben Hunt says:

    @Jdsm24
    Do you know what book that Kieron Gillen retcon of the 1000000 BC Avengers occurred in?

  37. Jdsm24 says:

    @Ben Hunt , I remember it was during the AXE crossover , when a blond white caveman is brought to the present-day by the progenitor in a confrontation with Jean , if I’m not mistaken . Of course , he only says his ancestors came through time portals , he never says what caused them , but if you were also reading KG’s Eternals , its obvious what did , since the Kronos vs Ouranous battle is such a huge turning point of the collective baxkstory.

  38. Jdsm24 says:

    And I must correct myself , it was ODIN who massaced the majority of the global civilization of the Realm of Aesheim , in order to erase all memory of the worship of Cul (who apparently became overlord of planet Earth for a period of time) and renamed it Midgard (he killed nearly every human except apparently the Wakandans LOL)

    So the 616-timeline is this: Original 616 Timeline – Eternals patriarchs fight and break time – 1M BC is created – Cul colonizes Earth , creating Aesheim – 1st cycle* Asgardian skyfathers fight – Odin beats Cul , Odin imprisons Cul , Odin genocides Aesheim , Asgardians later mass-die in Ragnarok in their native homeland pocket dimension , Asgardians later mass-reincarnate in 2nd cycle ** – Original 616 Timeline continues as if 1M BC never happened *** – lots of other minor mostly X-related time paradoxes occur in 616 (Ex. OG AoA , SP: BND , Bendis 05 , Cable’s timetravelling)

    No-Prize: the Eternals time-breaking leads to creation of Threshold , which leads to existence of Okkara which leads to existence of Krakoa in Giant Size XMen (but Kate Pryde’s mysterium genetic seeding further modifies Threshold) but which also leads to Okkara already being around even before 1st Host of Celestials arrive , so Okkara inspires creation of Eternal Machine leading to timeline changes (KG’s version of Eternals which are distinctly different from Jack Kirby’s original Eternals) . All of this timey-wimeny maybe even caused creation of Marvel Sliding TimeScale (counterpart of DC’s HyperTime & MetaVerse) LOL

  39. Jdsm24 says:

    (Comtinued)

    * – 1st Cycle Asgard : Bor died in his bed when all 4 of his sons still young boys , maybe explains Marvel Silver Age Asgard where canonically Frost Giants are still depicted as essentially civilized like Asgardians except twice in size

    ** 2nd Cycle Asgard : Bor died in snow as snow when all 3 of his sons (no more Cul) are already grown men , Bronze Age Asgard where Frost Giants are now depicted as cavepeople barbarians who are blue-skinned and tall as buldings

    *** but how was Butterfly Effect prevented ?! KEK

  40. Rei x says:

    Honestly, the glacial pace of the plot is really starting to irk me. By all means tease out reveals, but Wyre then Astra were not worth waiting for, lol. Instead of slowrolling it I’d rather just be shown who they are and why I should care about such nonentities. Granted, I’m finding this era disappointing on the whole, so there’s bias there.

    That aside, my guesses for the Chairman are a clone of Xavier or Angus MacWhirter.

  41. Re: the Chairman’s body type and Dark Beast:

    Didn’t Dark Beast turn up as the Mysterious Bubble Headed New Avenger that appeared on the covers of New Avengers but never turned up? Mysterious Bubble Headed New Avenger didn’t have Beast’s body shape either.

    (But I think we all know why.)

  42. Mike Loughlin says:

    The Chairman has to be Tusk, the Dark Rider who created little clones of himself. Never mind that he doesn’t look or act anything like the Chairman, it’s obvious.

    This issue was for anyone who doesn’t like Exceptional X-Men because it doesn’t have super-people fights. Enjoy all the biff bam pow!

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