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May 15

House to Astonish Presents: The Lightning Round Episode 9

Posted on Sunday, May 15, 2022 by Al in Podcast

Lightning keeps striking! Good lord! It’s just bizarre by this point! We’re back to look at Thunderbolts issues 22, 0 and 23 (in that order) and Avengers 12 (not in that order). Thrill to Hawkeye losing his AirBnB deposit! Be wowed by Vision’s capacity for complaining! Wonder aloud at whether Hercules and Atlas had a fling! It’s all go here!

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  1. Josie says:

    Like a lot of Busiek’s Avengers run, issue #12 was weirdly pedestrian, but boy, that George Perez art . . .

  2. Martin Smith says:

    Unless there’s a bit in Kang Dynasty I’m forgetting, I don’t think Hercules and Hawkeye see each other again until Avengers Disassembled, where they don’t get chance to talk before Hawkeye dies.

    This issue of Avengers is the first US comic I read (sort of) through a Panini’s Collector’s Edition. Looking at it now – a a very continuity heavy cross-over with another series – you wouldn’t think it’d be too accessible, it’s all the features that people gnash their teeth about with MCU films now (“but how will the casual audience understand it!”) but it’s what got me hooked. The flashbacks and recollections give the story a lot of texture, make it feel like a real world with depth and history and dragged me in.

    Looking it up “Cap, sort of” meant Steve Rogers but while he had attempted to give up the Captain America identity, hence bin-lid as make-shift shield.

  3. Daibhid C says:

    Bitter Foes of Spider-Man, where they’re all just sitting in the pub complaining” — wasn’t that most of Superior Foes?

    Hercules and Hawkeye are both in JLA/Avengers, which of course was also by Busiek, but I’d need to dig it out to confirm if they actually interact, or if Herc is too busy getting stomped by Wonder Woman, and Clint is too busy getting into a “whose arrows are longer?” contest with Ollie (and calling the League a cheap Squadron Supreme knockoff, which is one of my favourite jokes ever).

  4. Daibhid C says:

    Do the Avengers still have the Communi-Cards, or do they just have phones now? Come to think of it, do the Winter Guard have Communi-Cards, or was it retconned that they were never actually called that?

    Okay, this is a weird tangent, but you know how the Scarlet Scarab (now sort of appearing in Moon Knight) was a Blue Beetle rip-off? With the ancient Egyptians who created the scarab even having the unlikely names of Dann and Garett? How has nobody decided to tie a character named Ed Cord into that mess?

    My favourite USAgent scene is after he’s dumped the Jury for some group called S.T.A.R.S., and doing his usual thing about making the tough choices because other heroes don’t want to, and then after the Avengers have gone, one of the S.T.A.R.S. guys badmouths them, and Walker completely turns on him, because this punk’s talking about the Avengers. So on one level, hey, this guy does respect the Avengers after all. On another, he’s still a mercurial and rubbish leader, who slams his teammate against a wall for saying much the same thing he was saying five minutes ago.

  5. Alastair says:

    When Clint and US Agent were on West coast avengers together he was going by Jack Daniels not John walker. This was a cover so that people would not know US agent was the same person as failed cap replacement who went mental. It may be that Clint still did know his real name.

  6. Daibhid C says:

    Jack Daniels? Seriously? When his real name’s Johnny Walker?

    Other USAgent aliases include Jim Beam, Glen Livet, Whiton MacKay, and Fay Musgrouse.

  7. Si says:

    From the people who brought you a werewolf called Jack Russell.

    Speaking of names, I’ve also always liked Wonder Man, and at least part of that is there’s so few superheroes named Simon. There’s any number of brainy bespectacled nerd characters named Simon, so the fact that this guy’s an invulnerable movie star hunk impressed kid me to no end.

  8. Col_Fury says:

    I forget where, but I’m fairly certain that it’s established that one of Johnny Walker’s alias’ is Bud Weiser. Dan Slott, maybe? Or perhaps it was just a dream…

  9. Pascal says:

    I checked my own database of comics I own and I confirm that issue 0 was published January 1999, and was included with Wizard #89.

  10. Mark Coale says:

    I always preferred Amazing Heroes and CBG to TCJ, WizarD, Hero and the rest.

    I think for a while, Wizard sold better than just about everything except X-Men and maybe Bats/Tec in our store.

  11. Josie says:

    Is Hercules now the highest-profile Avengers character not to appear in the MCU? Hercules and Moondragon?

    I thought he’d appear in Thor 4, because it apparently features Zeus, but who knows.

  12. Mark Coale says:

    I presume that excludes mutants, like Beast?

    Maybe Tigra, but I’d say Herc is bigger.

  13. Maxwell's Hammer says:

    One of Kate Bishop’s college friends on the ‘Hawkeye’ series was named Greer, so maybe Tigra already got a little easter egg-ish cameo. Does that count?

  14. Krzysiek Ceran says:

    Excluding mutants and the Fantastic Four members, well, the She-Hulk show hasn’t started yet so on that technicality…

    Other than that I’d say Namor is bigger than Hercules.

  15. Wow, Marvel really has no luck with characters called “Sentry”. Even if they have a promising start, they always end up in the “oh not, not them” file.

  16. Hercules pops back into the Avengers now and then during the Kang War, but Hawkeye remains absent.

    Geoff Johns brings Hawkeye back into the team, but by then Hercules is off somewhere else.

    They are both back in the team by #501, but despite it being a Bendis comic, they somehow don’t have time to chat about their grievances.

  17. Mike Loughlin says:

    “Is Hercules now the highest-profile Avengers character not to appear in the MCU?”

    (Wolverine, Beast, Storm, Cannonball, & Sunspot haven’t shown up, but if we’re only counting non-X-Men:)

    Probably, with Namor having a similar level of popularity. The only other contenders I can think of are Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew) and Firestar, both of whom had cartoon appearances decades ago.

  18. Krzysiek Ceran says:

    Eh, Storm joined, what, three issues before leaving due to Avengers vs X-Men? The probably haven’t had the time to issue her the Avengers ID card.

    I think even Cable was involved for longer with the Unity Squad. And Rogue, of course.

  19. Josie says:

    Do people still think of Wolverine as an Avengers character? Has Wolverine even been on an Avengers team since the middle of Hickman’s run?

  20. Omar Karindu says:

    Josie said: Do people still think of Wolverine as an Avengers character? Has Wolverine even been on an Avengers team since the middle of Hickman’s run?

    I’m afraid Wolverine has been appearing in something called Savage Avengers since 2019.

  21. Person of Con says:

    I’m of the subset of people whose ideal characterization of Wonder Man is that he is The Worst, in the sort of way that’s attributed to Britta on Community. As such, my favorite Wonder Man scenes are the comedy bit in Incredible Hercules where Ares pretends someone else is hitting Simon, and all of his arc in the underrated MODOK cartoon. (He’s voiced by Nathan Fillion, which is perfect for this view of the character.)

  22. Allan M says:

    I took the bait and tried to figure out if Hawkeye and Hercules have ever resolved their beef from these issues of Thunderbolts. I have not read every appearance so I may yet find something, but at this point, I’m wondering if they’ve spoken to each other on-panel at all since this issue. They’re continuously either on different teams at the same time (e.g. Hawkeye in New Avengers while Herc is in Mighty Avengers. Herc joins the main Avengers while Hawkeye is in Occupy Avengers.) or one of them is dead.

    Even stories where they’re both nominally on the same team at the same time – No Surrender and No Road Home – they’re near-constantly in sub-stories where they’re on the other side of the planet. As two extremely long-standing Avengers B-listers, I’m honestly surprised I haven’t even hit some cursory banter.

  23. Mark Coale says:

    I’ll take Hollywood stunt man and cargo jacket Wonder Man., with or without Hank as a double act.

    I also like the idea that Hawkeye is attracted to the “hot mean girl” (Widow, Mockingbird, Moonstone). Not sure if his flirting with Jen counts or not.

  24. Brendan says:

    It’d be interesting to see what Marvel would do with Hercules in the MCU. Movie Thor is basically comics’ Incredible Hercules, so what do you do with the movie Hercules character?

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